Medical forms asking if you are a gun owner.

[Stubob]

I sat down with one of my long term best friends and he had gone to a new doctor.

The doctor asked 1: Do you own a gun; 2: do you have a safe: 3: how much ammunition do you have in your house? 4: how many guns

Wow! He did not answer it as he felt that it violated his rights even though he has a safe and only has 100 rounds of 9mm. That is two boxes of shells.

Think of the implications that this brings on. If the insurance companies are starting to collect this for the government, what a sneaky way to start tracking the gun owners.

[Bill of Rights]

I think I would see that question, stand up and take the papers with me as I left the office, and might call back later to tell them that not only would I never see him as a patient, I'd be making a point of telling everyone I knew that he had so little regard for his prospective patients, he would ask irrelevant questions with a political agenda. You're right, Stuart, it IS a sneaky way to do gun registration, and I won't participate in it. That phone call back to the office later would be made anonymously, so it wouldn't be obvious which patient refused to be seen on those grounds.

Blessings,
B

[Stubob]

He did not walk out, but he is changing doctors.....

[Bill of Rights]

I copied the form below from PDO when it was still around- a fellow poster made it available. I thought I'd posted it here once before, but I can't find it. The server might have cleared it off automagically.

Blessings,
B

Doctors Practice Form For Patients

FIREARMS SAFETY COUNSELING REPRESENTATION: PHYSICIAN QUALIFICATIONS AND LIABILITY Part One: Qualifications I affirm that I am certified to offer (Name of Patient: ), herineafter referred to as "the Patient", qualified advice about firearms safety in the home, having received: Specify Course(s) of Study: __________________________________________________ __________from: Specify Institution(s) __________________________________________________ __________on: Specify Course Completion Date(s): __________________________________________________ ____ resulting in: Specify Accreditation(s), Certification(s), License(s) etc.: _______________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________________ Check one, as appropriate: ___ I represent that I have reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership. I further represent that I have reviewed all other relevant home safety issues with the Patient, including those relating to electricity, drains, disposals, compactors, garage doors, driveway safety, pool safety, pool fence codes and special locks for pool gates, auto safety, gas, broken glass, stored cleaning chemicals, buckets, toilets, sharp objects, garden tools, home tools, power tools, lawnmowers, lawn chemicals, scissors, needles, forks, knives, etc. I also acknowledge, by receiving this document, I have been made aware that, in his inaugural address before the American Medical Association on June 20, 2001, new president Richard Corlin, MD, admitted "What we don't know about violence and guns is literally killing us...researchers do not have the data to tell how kids get guns, if trigger locks work, what the warning signs of violence in schools and at the workplace are and other critical questions due to lack of research funding." (UPI). In spite of this admission, I represent that I have sufficient data and expertise to provide expert and clinically sound advice to patients regarding firearms in the home. OR ___ I am knowingly engaging in Home/Firearms Safety Counseling without certification, license or formal training in Risk Management, and; I have not reviewed applicable scientific literature pertaining to defensive gun use and beneficial results of private firearms ownership. Part Two: Liability I have determined, from a review of my medical malpractice insurance, that if I engage in an activity for which I am not certified, such as Firearms Safety Counseling, the carrier (check one, as appropriate): ___ will ___ will not cover lawsuits resulting from neglect, lack of qualification, etc. Insurance Carrier name, address and policy number insuring me for firearms safety expertise: __________________________________________________ __________________________________ I further warrant that, should the Patient follow my firearm safety counseling and remove from the home and/or disable firearms with trigger locks or other mechanisms, and if the patient or a family member, friend or visitor is subsequently injured or killed as a result of said removal or disabling, that my malpractice insurance and/or personal assets will cover all actual and punitive damages resulting from a lawsuit initiated by the patient, the patient's legal reprerentative, or the patient's survivors. Signature of attesting physician and date: __________________________________________________ _ Name of attesting physician (please print):___________________________________________ _______ Signature of patient and date: __________________________________________________ __________ Name of patient (please print):___________________________________________ _________________ Note to patient: Indicate if physician "REFUSED TO SIGN." Ask physician to place copy in chart/medical record. Risk Management Advice to Physicians and Malpractice Insurance Providers: Don't Borrow Trouble © 2000 by Joe Horn crowtalk@theriver.com ...

[jayspapa2002]

This makes my blood boil . I don't believe it is a doctors place to ask me about my gun ownership. Only a few of my family and only one very close friend knows how many guns I have or where they are located. No one knows how much ammo I have for each and I certainly wouldn't share any of that info with a doctor.

[Cherishortcake]

Wow where was this? I could see them asking things like that in CA or NY. Theyre almost completely against guns in those states.

[VegasGeorge]

OK, what we need to do is draft a similar form asking about doctors. Then we could distribute them to gun stores with instructions to have their customers fill them out before purchasing a gun or ammo.

I think it's common knowledge that more people are killed by bad medicine than by gunshot.

[Evil Ernie]

The only time a doctor better ask me about my collection is when he's ready to "man up" and go to the rifle range and not the driving range!!!

Don't get me wrong, I freakin love golf....especially when OCing a 1911!!!! I'm still trying to find a way onto the course with my SKS and golfball launcher....FORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THUMP!!!!!!!!

[pioneer461]

That is an example of unethical physician conduct called boundary violations.

Here's an exerpt from an article on such violations....

"Patients do have remedies for the boundary-crossing doctor. In today's competitive health care market most patients can choose from many doctors. Changing doctors is the simplest solution. A written complaint to the health plan's membership services department can send a powerful message that boundary violations by doctors will not be tolerated. If the problem persists, patients can file a complaint with the doctor's state licensing board. Medical licensing boards are increasingly aware of the problem of boundary violations. Although state boards have addressed primarily sexual and financial misconduct, the broad principles they have developed to guide doctors in these areas apply to the entire doctor-patient relationship."

To Read the full article, http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article14.html

[Sandhiller]

I believe the ratio for doctors "dangerousness" over guns is 7:1.

[junglebob]

Bill, I like that form for doctors. That reminds me of when I stopped at my brothers house to visit. He had stopped at my older brothers house and picked up something from my dads estate, his old 12 guage double barrel shotgun and took it to his house for me to pick up when I visited. His wife is anti-gun and was upset because she was at her pediatritian and she said she "had to lie" because he asked if there were any guns in the house.

[jlc]

At our Dr's office they have us fill out a "Health" questionaire about yearly. One of the questions on it asks, "Have you been hit or threatened by anyone lately" My wife answers MYOB(mind your own business), I answer None of your damn business. Neither of us have ever had any comment made to us about our answers. No questions about guns as yet.
We believe it's the hospital association the Dr. is associated with. :?: