Reciprocity issues

[Bill of Rights]

I just happened to look at the reciprocity map on here and found that a goal I've had for quite a while has been achieved: Based on a resident LTC from Indiana, we can now carry in half the country!

IN LTC holders may carry in these 25 states:
AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO,
FL, GA, ID, IN, KY,
LA, MI, MO, MT, NH,
NC, ND, OK, PA, SD,
TN, TX, UT, VT, WY

The other 25 states, those that do not recognize our LTC, fall into one of two groups:

Fourteen states that recognize no CCW except at most, their own:
CA, CT, HI, IL, IA,
ME, MD, MA, NE, NJ,
NY, OR, RI, WI

and
Eleven states that recognize some CCWs, just not ours:
DE, KS, MN, MS, NV,
NM, OH, SC, VA, WA,
WV

Indiana, of course, recognizes any CCW permit issued by any of the 50 states (or DC).

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
B

[taking back sunday]

cool thanks for the post. i could really care less if the new england states never recognize our permit, because quite frankly i have no desire to ever be there for any reason. corn fields just suit me better than concrete. the only other state that would really be nice to have reciprocity with would be ohio, seeing how i cross the indiana/ohio border a few times a year.

on a side note: i noticed that florida recognizes our permit, however i also know you have to be 21 to get a permit in florida. does this mean that i, 19 years old, would still be able to carry in florida? ill be spring breaking in florida with a few buddies in march, and would like to bring my gun with me.

[Bill of Rights]

No Matt, sorry. One thing that's true of every state is that even if they recognize your right to carry, they insist that you do so under their laws. For Florida, among other things, this means you don't carry open at all, you follow their location restrictions (whether that means no carrying in bars, hospitals, restaurants, or whatever they may be), and unfortunately for you, it also means you don't carry till you're 21.

Blessings,
B

[Dogman]

The NRA website has added Mississippi as the latest state to have a reciprocity agreement with Indiana, so we're up to twenty six states.

[junglebob]

I just happened to look at the reciprocity map on here and found that a goal I've had for quite a while has been achieved: Based on a resident LTC from Indiana, we can now carry in half the country!

IN LTC holders may carry in these 25 states:
AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO,
FL, GA, ID, IN, KY,
LA, MI, MO, MT, NH,
NC, ND, OK, PA, SD,
TN, TX, UT, VT, WY

The other 25 states, those that do not recognize our LTC, fall into one of two groups:

Fourteen states that recognize no CCW except at most, their own:
CA, CT, HI, IL, IA,
ME, MD, MA, NE, NJ,
NY, OR, RI, WI

and
Eleven states that recognize some CCWs, just not ours:
DE, KS, MN, MS, NV,
NM, OH, SC, VA, WA,
WV

Indiana, of course, recognizes any CCW permit issued by any of the 50 states (or DC).

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
B
Bill of Rights, You could get a Utah permit and add Delaware, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio, Virginia and Washington to the states you could carry in.

Have you ever figured the maximum number of states you could carry in if you got permits from those who issue non-resident permits but don't recognize Indiana or Utah? I think there are a few.

[Bill of Rights]

The NRA website has added Mississippi as the latest state to have a reciprocity agreement with Indiana, so we're up to twenty six states.

Very cool, Dogman, and thanks! I try to keep up on such things, but I missed that one. Will go through and update everything I can ASAP.

Blessings,
B

[Dogman]

Another one to watch is South Carolina bill H. 3212, if passed it will make SC a recognition state as long as the other state recognizes SC permits and their permit holders pass a criminal background check which would include Indiana. This is the latest as of March 20. At least as I understand it.

[brotherbill3]

Bill of Rights:
Very cool, Dogman, and thanks! I try to keep up on such things, but I missed that one. Will go through and update everything I can ASAP.

Bill - here is a link to another update FYI ...
http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/about/HandgunRules051007.pdf

on the indiana state (on the forum) it reference that CC is allowed while hunting with a "Personal Protection" LTC ... this link shows the actual rule / Indiana Code wording changes. The rules reference CC (or actually just CARRY) with the normal (per IC 35-47) wording of "Unlimited LTC". its a long list (they put the clarification in repeatedly for each season/type of hunting). I think they must have used the "personal protection" phrase to sound 'less scary'? :shock: (as if hunters don't get the potential power of firearms :roll: or something like that!?!?)

This is one of the things that (along w/ recent events) I want to carry for:
I hunt (archery) near a certain state "PEN" with a bad rep (lately). Not that I'd hesitate to defend myself w/ my bow, but since we've had LEO pull up one morning (at oh 5:30 or so ) and ask if we've SEEN anything odd as we're getting ready to go to our spot ... well ever since ... i'm on alert for more than just the "prince of the forest".

"Brother" Bill

[Bill of Rights]

Another one to watch is South Carolina bill H. 3212, if passed it will make SC a recognition state as long as the other state recognizes SC permits and their permit holders pass a criminal background check which would include Indiana. This is the latest as of March 20. At least as I understand it.

I've been watching that one since Bill Rentiers posted about it on the SC board. The last I saw, they'd added back in the requirement about a safety class, and if so, that excludes us. I'm hoping maybe they just didn't update it correctly and the "safety class" (which we all know is legal-speak for "one more PITA for us to throw in your way") is still out.

Typically, when I check the states, which is about every six weeks or so, I go to each state's page and check it directly myself, rather than see what data someone else has compiled. The first time was the toughest, but I noted where they have their reciprocity info then and now, when I go back, I can get everyone done in 1 1/2-2 hrs. (Of course, then I have to go through our site and update our maps, too.)

Thanks also to Brother Bill; I'd not seen that PDF, I don't think. (I have it open right now but haven't read it yet.)

Blessings,
B

[Bill of Rights]

As of now, I have 20 of the states done on the maps. This is the first time I've done anything with this part of our site, and it's tedious, but I'll get through the rest. Re-checking the states' sites was a cake walk by comparison. This note is just to let folks know why the maps might not match each other at the moment. Eventually, they will.

Blessings,
B

[Sandhiller]

Thanks for your work on this. It's appreciated.

One item that would be VERY useful to add, if possible, is whether or not the particular state law requires you to notify an LEO that you are carrying when he/she makes an official contact with you. It's a requirement in NE, but not in all states, of course.

Sure would be nice to know!

[Bill of Rights]

You're welcome. I enjoy doing things that will benefit the community. I've yet to decide if this particular task is a labor of love or a love of labor.

I agree, that would be a good thing to have in the state pages. One of these times, I may check for that when I update.... but not this time. ;-)

Blessings,
B