Bill forces states to accept gun permits

[Lady Di]

If this passes it would clear up a lot of headaches and make some of our maps obsolete.

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2008/04/14/news/041508dcgunrecip.txt

[VegasGeorge]

OK, finally some sensible legislation. Let's all get behind this. Write or email your legislators urging their support of this bill.

[Sandhiller]

Do we really want the Feds to take over CCW for the whole country?

[Swift locksmith]

Do we really want the Feds to take over CCW for the whole country?

No, I don't. The anti's are attacking our right at the federal level, though. It's time for us to put the ball in their court, and keep pushing. This is encouraging even though this first try will never pass, it will open more doors for gun control to move back to an individual right.

[tuna]

Yup, this sounds good. I stole this from another forum, from someone who stole it somewhere else (at least I'm giving credit to the guy) - but it applies here, and is some good ammo against antis.


Originally Posted by LawDog

I see that the gun grabbers have resurrected the old "We license cars, so why can't we license guns?" meme.

I tell you what -- every time you hear a gun grabber snivel about licensing guns like cars, call him a liar to his face.

I would absolutely love to license guns just like we do cars and drivers -- for the same reason that every gun grabber who suggests it is lying through his or her snaggle teeth.

Think about it.

We give a drivers license to every seventeen-year-old high school student who can pass a lowest-common-denominator Drivers Ed course. A course that can be successfully passed by a lobotomized chimpanzee.

In a large percentage of cases, we give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids who state that they have a particular hardship.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in the Union -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States. Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to, anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't have a thing to say about the matter.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything about it -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

If you get caught driving a car without your drivers license, you get a $90 traffic ticket that comes off your record in three years.

Tell me that you want to license guns just like cars. Tell me that if that Texas cowpoke is visiting Chicago, and gets caught carrying his gun without his license, he gets a traffic citation -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

No one must undergo a background check to get a license, any felon can get a drivers license, no mental checks are required for a drivers license.

Tell me again that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let everyone -- 17 to 70, felons, no mental checks, pay your money, take your test, here's your gun license -- just like a drivers license.

You're a liar.

If I'm on private property, I don't even need a driver license to drive any car I want to, the only limit to the number of cars I can possess is the size of my bank account, I can buy as many cars at once as my wallet can stand, and I can buy a car off a street corner in Compton today, another from a back-yard in New York tomorrow, I can import cars as many as a I want, from any country that I want, and I can sell or trade any or all of them to anyone I want -- and the Federal Government doesn't have word one to say about the matter.

I build any car I want to -- with no Federal permission; I can modify, cut-down, trick-out, customize or skeletonize any car I want to without so much as a "Yes", "No", "Boo", "Kiss my arse" or "By your leave" from the Federal Government.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Control, that you really want to treat guns just like cars. Tell me that your "gun license" that is "just like we license cars" will let us treat guns just exactly like we treat cars.

You are a damned liar.

LawDog

[Sandhiller]

In my opinion, to invite the Feds into the House of CCW is to have to deal with the Guest from Hell.

Now, if this is a ploy to... increase public knowledge of the good aspects of CCW; ferret out the anti-gun legislators; belabor and exasperate the anti-organizations like the Brady Bunch; and generally advance the cause— then I am all for it. But when it comes to turning over CCW as a package to the federal gummint, I think that is a bad and short-sighted arrangement.

I also tend to be a states-rightist, even though some of them are pretty bone-headed.

[VegasGeorge]

Well, my understanding of the bill, from reading here only, is that it would require all States to honor any State's CCW permit. It would still be the States that set the requirements and issue the permits, just like they do now. The only difference would be universal reciprocity. So, what's wrong with that?

[tuna]

The real problem is the requirements for permits to begin with, but that's a subject for a different time.

I don't see a problem with the bill either.

[Sandhiller]

So, what's wrong with that?

What's wrong with that is that it would be a federal mandate. Seems good now, but an opening wedge doesn't always stay that way.

How many more federal mandates do we want overriding state's concerns?

I don't think we should allow our personal desires for universal validity for our individual permits to cloud our long-range judgment.

But there's no use arguing this bill, or its implications. It will no doubt never even make it to the floor.

[Lady Di]

Do they plan on getting around the Tenth Amendment the way Lincoln did?

[Bill of Rights]

Agreed. The way to universal reciprocity is not to have Congress write, pass and get signed a bill that would mandate it but rather to have SCOTUS rule that failure of one state to recognize another's legitimacy in this area violates Full Faith and Credit. That is to say, rule the laws invalid due to contradiction under Constitutional law, not saying that the Fed has jurisdiction but rather saying that the states are prohibited under the Tenth from interfering. It is not, I think, possible with the current Court to even get heard a challenge to the concept of CCW "permits".

Blessings,
B

[gvaldeg1]

Agreed. The way to universal reciprocity is not to have Congress write, pass and get signed a bill that would mandate it but rather to have SCOTUS rule that failure of one state to recognize another's legitimacy in this area violates Full Faith and Credit. That is to say, rule the laws invalid due to contradiction under Constitutional law, not saying that the Fed has jurisdiction but rather saying that the states are prohibited under the Tenth from interfering. It is not, I think, possible with the current Court to even get heard a challenge to the concept of CCW "permits".

Blessings,
B

I agree completely! This is exactly what should be done. However, I'm not going to hold my breath until it happens.

[pioneer461]

I'm in favor of the states recognizing the Full Faith & Credit clause Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution. BUT, does anyone really believe this will happen under our Liberal Dem & RINO congress and whomever is our next president? I don't think so.

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[Dogman]

There's been such a bill put before congress for the last 4-5 years and they never go very far, also look up S. 388 which was introduced in Jan. 25, 2007 and H.R.861 which was introduced in Feb. 6, 2007 just for two of the latest bills, it took over 10 years for HR 218 to get passed. So think how long it will take if ever to get a nationwide reciprocity without any powerful lobbying behind it to be passed.