California Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartr

[Stubob]

SACRAMENTO—California would be the first state to require that every semiautomatic handgun cartridge be stamped with an identifying mark if the governor signs a bill that has now cleared both chambers of the Legislature.
The Senate approved the bill Thursday, sending it back to the Assembly for a final vote on amendments. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has not said whether he will sign the bill once it reaches his desk.

Revolvers are not in the list -

Any thoughts on this?

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6821443?nclick_check=1

[VegasGeorge]

Your Mercury News link requires a username and password, so I didn't get to read the article.

This sounds idiotic to me. So from that, I assume it's something dreamed up by the California anti gun lobby. You know, those idiots. But, I can't figure out what they are thinking, other than to just make things more difficult for shooters and ammo manufacturers. For them, of course, that's enough.

[DAN]

If it doesn't happen this time it will the next. anything to limit gun sales.
There was only a token resistance for this. There is little fight left in the calif gun group.
Another bill out there would put a limit on how much ammo you can have at your residence. After a certain amount you would be considered an armory.
Something like 1000 rds.total It has been defeated twice but it will happen I bet. This includes rimfire ammo.
Only in Calif,
Dan

[Stubob]

Two boxes of shells? :shock:

[Genghis77]

Now that seems like a right smart idea microstamping ammo. Except for a couple problems. How does that stop the ammo from being used in a crime? And like most illegal firearms imported into the US, so is much ammo. Yeah! You'll get microstamps on the ammo purchased by legal law biding citizens. But you're going to completly miss those people of interest. Another case of good intent with disasterous results and consequences. Besides you can't microstamp my hand loaded hand cast bullet.

[EBDPA]

Well... reality has struck. Heir Arnold has signed the bill into law. The upside is that technology is currently not available to make the requirements of law a reality. I am hopeful that by the time they figure out how to do it, we will have exhausted the sensibility of it all.

This was all political posturing.. as in most instances. The NRA lobbied big time against this bill... thought they had it licked... but some political pi**ing matches on the side of this issue caused Heir Arny to sign it into law as political retaliation. Too bad...

Some things to consider. Will gun manufacturers continue to sell firearms to law abiding citizens in the great republic? They already have to jump through hoops to get on the drop list, which hits their bottom line. My guess is that more companies will just refuse to sell to CA.

What do you have to do now... pick up every piece of brass that you shoot at the range because it will be like a CSI DNA match to you? Or will it encourage law abiding gun owners to get out to shoot more often and spread that brass around as many ranges as they can to support their 'reasonable doubt' case? It has already been mentioned that the BG's don't buy legal guns anyhow.. so the blackmarket for non-stamping guns will skyrocket. Certainly easy enough to buy a firearm out of state and bring it in to commit crimes... they just become drop guns.

Last thought. I think the only way that we are going to get this really defeated long term is for the gun and ammo manufacturers to refuse to sell to any law enforcement agencies in CA. Take it to one of the largest lobby groups in CA. If agencies and departments can no longer purchase the weapons and ammo they need, they will certainly raise a ruckus in Sacramento and get the Govenator to renig on the deal.

My two cents worth... :?

[Bill of Rights]

That will work until they just write an exception into the law for LEO firearms-no microstamping required for weapons purchased by the state, just those owned by the citizens.... you know, government's "bosses"... :roll:

I agree with a post VegasGeorge made a while back: How the HELL did we get to the point at which the individual states started deciding what parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights they wished to honor?

Blessings,
M

[EBDPA]

Yea, thats why it has to be a unified action on the part of the gun and ammo manufacturers...

No sales to LEOs.... period... regardless of what loop holes the state gives them... if they want to protect their sales to the rest of the non-LEO buyers, they need to stand with us, not waffle and fold...

If the LEO's could not get ammo or new pistols... they might put pressure on Sacramento to rethink the issue...

2.5 cents.... CC

[CA CCWInstructor]

LEO's are exempt from Micro Stamping, it part of the CA Approved program. LEO's are exempt from all those requirements.

All they need to do is show their ID.

This bill does not impact any gun currently on the approved list. It only applies to new guns submitted for testing.

[EBDPA]

Obvioiusly the state of CA is not going to restrict access for LEO's to anything... that is why it is up to the vendors to take a stand...

I guess it will all come down to economics... how much do they make on sales to LEO's and how much do they lose in sales to the rest of us... is it enough to make it worth their while to boycot the LEO's to make the point clear.

Who knows.... time will tell.

[Bill of Rights]

How hard would it be for CA to just buy the bloody things in another state, Craig? Or from the Federal Gov't? I agree with you that economics would make a difference in a truly free market, but when the gov't interferes with that and tips the scales in their own favor... http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd198/St-Michael/WTF.gif

Blessings,
M

[EBDPA]

Well, the way Peoples Republik usually writes their laws... it includes restricting the honest, law abiding public from importing into the state and or possess anything they don't approve of...

Pretty soon... no c2a rights left for those of us behind the wall...

[QNman]

OK, if I'm a criminal... don't I just have to pick up my brass? Or use a revolver? Why is it that politicians continue to make it harder and harder for law abiding citizens to follow the law, and continue to pass laws that don't affect BG's one bit? It's enough to make the conspiracy theorists look credible.

[Bill of Rights]

OK, if I'm a criminal... don't I just have to pick up my brass? Or use a revolver? Why is it that politicians continue to make it harder and harder for law abiding citizens to follow the law, and continue to pass laws that don't affect BG's one bit? It's enough to make the conspiracy theorists look credible.

This is probably along the same line of thinking that the BG will be in such a hurry to get away that he/she won't police the brass, which is similar thinking to the Taser shooting, along with the two probes, a shower of serial-numbered confetti. It looks good, and yeah, it might give law enforcement some leads, but that doesn't mean they're effective leads. A stolen gun will microstamp and lead the police back to the lawful owner, not on to the BG... and maybe that's the idea.

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
B

[QNman]

... A stolen gun will microstamp and lead the police back to the lawful owner, not on to the BG... and maybe that's the idea.

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
B
There may be something to that...

[HairyEyeball]

That, and somebody's going to have to pay for it. The story has a familiar ring to it - wasn't the unspoken intent of NFA 34 to tax automatic weapons (and certain accessories) out of existence as an 'end run' around attempting to outlaw them? And given the description of the process, a couple of swipes with an emery cloth will obliterate the code.

Of course, revolvers would be exempt, they don't generally leave odd casings around the average crime scene - but doesn't that seem just a bit inequitable?

If I were running a sporting goods store in the Governator's baliwick, I think I'd lay in a supply of clip-on brass catchers, and start giving them away with any autoloader I sold.

[ErnieH]

Isn't California a hoot!! Oh the perils of living in the republic of California. To think that we are even part of the United States. It is bad enough that all the new toys have to be micro-stamped, now our ammo too. Just stab why don't you. What's next, personal tracking devices for everone who owns a gun.
You know, I don't even want to get started on this topic, I have been pissed about it for awhile.

[Bill of Rights]

What's next, personal tracking devices for everone who owns a gun.

You're close. More likely personal tracking devices (RFID chips) for everyone. For your safety, donchaknow. :roll: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd198/St-Michael/loco.gif

It's not too late to move back to the United States, y'know.

Blessings,
B

[ErnieH]

What's next, personal tracking devices for everone who owns a gun.

You're close. More likely personal tracking devices (RFID chips) for everyone. For your safety, donchaknow. :roll: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd198/St-Michael/loco.gif

It's not too late to move back to the United States, y'know.

Blessings,
B

I hear that, I have been discussing that for awhile now. This is just starting to get crazy, people are afraid of their own damn shadow. The Libbies want my guns, so it may be time to pack up and run!!!! I hear you American have great freedoms out there in that country.]

[pioneer461]

After trying all of these stupid "fixes" to the "gun problem," that allows the lefties, sometime in the future, to declare that because "nothing works to control crime," the only thing left to do is to ban gun ownership.

Remember how socialism works. It's called incrimentalism, or baby steps if you prefer, but they have a long term goal and they can be very, very patient.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb294/pioneer461/Political/39548723507234.jpg

[Bill of Rights]

I was looking at your "Right Wing Conspiracy" seal and got to thinking... Is it not interesting that the Great Seal of the United States depicts an eagle holding in his left talons the arrows of war and in his right talons the olive branch of peace? Unintended symbolism, perhaps, but if we accept it, then in peacetime, when the eagle's head is turned toward the olives, he is acknowledging that it is the right wing that is pre-eminent, while in time of war, when the eagle's head is shown facing the arrows....


Things that make ya go "Hmm."

Blessings,
B

[grapeknutz]

I left that state 2 years ago......and I am glad that I did.