National Coverage Law

[Bear Poop]

http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5782.html

We need to PUSH this HARD!!!

[Sandhiller]

I've commented on this in several different threads. We do NOT want to support this bill. It's a bad idea to invite the Feds to oversee CCW.

[Bear Poop]

We need to make sure we have equal protection nation wide. How else can we get it.? It is clear that places like DC ignore the SC AND the Constitution.

[Sandhiller]

We need to make sure we have equal protection nation wide. How else can we get it.? It is clear that places like DC ignore the SC AND the Constitution.

What you are proposing does not provide "equal protection." It is merely the nose of the camel into the tent. Unless, of course, you believe that the feds solve more problems than they create and you are willing to roll the dice. We do NOT want the federal government administering CCW. That should be self evident based on the fed's track record on the "gun issue" alone.

As for DC-- if they don't obey the Constitution, or SOCUS, what makes you think they will obey an ineffectual and self-serving congress?

I understand your eagerness for single standard that would be immediately convenient FOR YOU. However, in my opinion this would not be in our long-term interests.

[Bear Poop]

You make a very good case. I DON'T think the feds solves problems PERIOD!!! I work for DoD and my wife for USPS and I can tell you that they CREATE problems 99.999999% of the time.

Simply it should be that one state's laws should be required to be recognised in all others just like a driver's license, which history proves has killed HUNDEREDS OF THOUSANDS more than ALL the CCWs ever issued

[Sandhiller]

Would this recognition include hunting licenses?

What do you think the chances are that MA and CA will recognize the rights of, say, folks from AL and MS to carry concealed weapons in their states?

Where the federal government's intrusion into state's rights issues is involved, I like my python analogy.

If you have a python living in your outhouse you can expect it to first eat your mice. You may like that. And it will grow. Next it will eat your cats. And continue to grow. After the cats are gone, it will eat your dogs. All the while growing larger, more powerful, and hungrier. And then, one day, you will notice that it is looking at you with a peculiar, intense interest.

If I seem to be anti-gummint on this issue, I can assure you that your impression is entirely correct.

[Bill of Rights]

Would this recognition include hunting licenses?

What do you think the chances are that MA and CA will recognize the rights of, say, folks from AL and MS to carry concealed weapons in their states?

Where the federal government's intrusion into state's rights issues is involved, I like my python analogy.

If you have a python living in your outhouse you can expect it to first eat your mice. You may like that. And it will grow. Next it will eat your cats. And continue to grow. After the cats are gone, it will eat your dogs. All the while growing larger, more powerful, and hungrier. And then, one day, you will notice that it is looking at you with a peculiar, intense interest.

If I seem to be anti-gummint on this issue, I can assure you that your impression is entirely correct.

Great analogy. I also don't want to see FedGov getting involved in CCW administration- I would, however, agree with them telling the states that the Constitution DOES require Full Faith and Credit. Simply, this would mean that if I have a _______ license from Anystate, every other state must acknowledge it's validity. The state where I choose to exercise the rights or privileges covered by that license still maintains jurisdiction over how I do so. (that is, I have an IN driver's license. I can, therefore, drive my car (or any car) following the rules of the road wherever I may happen to be. It is, for example, lawful here to turn left on a red light after a stop, IF I am turning from a one-way onto a one-way AND if the intersection is not posted otherwise. Some states do not permit even that. I cannot, therefore, go to those states, make that left turn, and expect not to be cited for a traffic infraction. Similarly, to get back on topic, when my UT CCW comes in, UT permits carry in schools. I cannot expect to use my UT CCW to do that here in IN, however.

I don't see an issue with the FedGov telling the states that they must obey the Supreme Law of the Land, as written.

Blessings,
B

[Sandhiller]

I repeat my question: hunting licenses, too? Where do you draw the line, and what EXACTLY does "full faith and credit" mean in the 21st century?

[Bill of Rights]

I repeat my question: hunting licenses, too? Where do you draw the line, and what EXACTLY does "full faith and credit" mean in the 21st century?

As I read it, keeping in mind IANAL/TINLA, my answer above covers this: FF&C means that each and every state will recognize any and all licenses issued by any other as valid, subject to their local laws. That is, every state allows it's citizens to drive on public roads, with a license, therefore a license to drive from any state must be recognized by every other state.
Every state allows it's citizens to marry, so a marriage license from Texas is valid in Reno. Exception: Not every state recognizes same-sex marriage, and we are NOT devolving into that discussion, but since not all permit that union, that union is not recognized in many others.

I don't know if the FedGov tells the states they MUST recognize each others' DLs, but I know it's a non-issue since they all do. Since, however, a CCW/LTC/whatever is a public act, I think it must be recognized. And yes, I think this would go for a hunting license also, so long as the hunter followed the laws of the state where he (or she!) was hunting while doing so.

Blessings,
B

[Sandhiller]

You would therefore spell the doom of every state F&G and all state gamelands. States like CO, NM, and ID would virtually cease to exist as hunters' venues.

States recognize other drivers' licenses because it represents economic necessity: commerce, tourism, pass-through dollars, etc.

I don't think FF&C will ever apply much beyond that.