Let's Fix Politics in the USA

[VegasGeorge]

This election, more than any past election, has brought home the message that our system is broken and needs to be fixed. I believe in democracy and free elections. But is it really democracy, or really free, when the voters are constantly, and vociferously lied to by the parties, the candidates, and the media? How are voters supposed to honor their responsibility to vote. Based on lies?

One candidate runs ads claiming the other candidate voted to increase taxes. The other candidate runs ads claiming to have voted to reduce taxes. Both can't be true. This is but one example. We are flooded with these competing and mutually exclusive claims. These are not opinions being expressed. I'm talking about factual claims. Obviously, we are being lied to.

This kind of thing does not happen in the open and free marketplace. We have truth in advertising laws. A soap manufacturer doesn't run false ads about a competitor's soap. In fact, a soap manufacturer is darn careful not to run false ads about its own soap. This is because they know that a lawsuit is just around the corner, and they can't afford endless strings of litigation. So, they stick to the truth.

Why can't we have the same kind of control over political ads? Isn't your vote more important than your next bar of soap?

Another thing to consider is the pro and con blurbs contained in our voters pamphlets. Each proposed measure to be voted on is explained, with relevant facts exposed, and financial impacts disclosed. I don't know exactly how those blurbs are obtained, but I'm sure they are vetted and approved for accuracy by both proponents and adversaries.

Now, if our system can produce voters pamphlets that are fact checked and approved, why can't candidate ads be vetted the same way?

It's no wonder that the media is being accused of unduly influencing this election. The candidates are allowed to make every kind of false claim about themselves, and every kind of false claim about their opponent. In that atmosphere, why shouldn't we expect the media to run with those claims? If the candidates themselves were forced to stick to the truth, it would go a long way toward stifling false claims in media reporting of the campaigns.

On a different, but related subject: I think some method of equalizing and limiting campaign spending should be considered. It just doesn't seem right that one candidate, or one party, should gain a significant advantage simply by being able to out spend the other side. I don't have a solution for this problem yet. But, I do think it bears consideration.

Am I wrong? Are these issues worth pursuing?

[Jay]

Those issues are worth correcting. All we have to do is quit allowing the purchase of voters, and policy. With enough money, you can re-shape this country any way you want. Example....... osama has just about completed his purchase of the Presidency....... even though he really wants to be king... :mad:

[Bill of Rights]

This election, more than any past election, has brought home the message that our system is broken and needs to be fixed. I believe in democracy and free elections. But is it really democracy, or really free, when the voters are constantly, and vociferously lied to by the parties, the candidates, and the media? How are voters supposed to honor their responsibility to vote. Based on lies?

One candidate runs ads claiming the other candidate voted to increase taxes. The other candidate runs ads claiming to have voted to reduce taxes. Both can't be true. This is but one example. We are flooded with these competing and mutually exclusive claims. These are not opinions being expressed. I'm talking about factual claims. Obviously, we are being lied to.

This kind of thing does not happen in the open and free marketplace. We have truth in advertising laws. A soap manufacturer doesn't run false ads about a competitor's soap. In fact, a soap manufacturer is darn careful not to run false ads about its own soap. This is because they know that a lawsuit is just around the corner, and they can't afford endless strings of litigation. So, they stick to the truth.

Why can't we have the same kind of control over political ads? Isn't your vote more important than your next bar of soap?

Another thing to consider is the pro and con blurbs contained in our voters pamphlets. Each proposed measure to be voted on is explained, with relevant facts exposed, and financial impacts disclosed. I don't know exactly how those blurbs are obtained, but I'm sure they are vetted and approved for accuracy by both proponents and adversaries.

Now, if our system can produce voters pamphlets that are fact checked and approved, why can't candidate ads be vetted the same way?

It's no wonder that the media is being accused of unduly influencing this election. The candidates are allowed to make every kind of false claim about themselves, and every kind of false claim about their opponent. In that atmosphere, why shouldn't we expect the media to run with those claims? If the candidates themselves were forced to stick to the truth, it would go a long way toward stifling false claims in media reporting of the campaigns.

On a different, but related subject: I think some method of equalizing and limiting campaign spending should be considered. It just doesn't seem right that one candidate, or one party, should gain a significant advantage simply by being able to out spend the other side. I don't have a solution for this problem yet. But, I do think it bears consideration.

Am I wrong? Are these issues worth pursuing?

You're not wrong and the issues are worth pursuing, however I think you're going the wrong way around about how to address the problems. The answer is not "more laws" (that the candidates will simply not obey or will re-write when in office), the answer is for the electorate to hold the office-seekers liable. That is, if BHO tells me he's pro-2A but his voting record shows otherwise, that would be perjury if he said it under oath. If he says it with the intention of suckering me into voting in his favor, I would think that would easily fit the definition of fraud, which is an actionable offense, and one for which he should be sued. Part and parcel of that, however, is that we must have judges that will not dismiss such suits for any excuse to do so; for example, an attorney named Phillip Berg, a Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton, filed suit in federal district court in Philadelphia against Mr. Obama, claiming that he was not eligible for the Presidency due to his not being a natural-born American citizen. Rather than hear the case and decide it on it's merits, the judge dismissed it due to Mr. Berg not having standing to sue. It seems to me that any and every American citizen has standing in this case, more so registered voters. Dismissing the suit is the easy, perhaps the coward's, way out. It avoids the controversy of such a case, though I'm reminded of the old adage that if you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If the judge cannot handle the publicity and controversy, perhaps he should find a different line of work. Maybe Judge Wopner's chair is still vacant.

Much as there are many laws in place already, such that more are unnecessary, regarding guns, the same is true of many areas.

I'd also comment that "I voted to lower taxes." vs. "My opponent voted to raise taxes!" can indeed both be true: There are many votes over a legislator's term of office. Your point is sound, though, in that often, they make claims like this about the same vote, and it comes down to interpretation and prediction. If, for example, McCain voted to give tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas, as one of Hussein's ads claims, McCain might well say that in giving a break to them, he's brought jobs back to America rather than have them continue to be exported. Which is true? Both, of course. It's all in how you look at it.

So what can we do now? Start finding people to run who are willing to work on campaigns, who are willing to hold "little" offices now and discharge their duties faithfully. People who will not be drawn into scandal and be dragged through the mud in future dealings and campaigns, and who hold true American values will eventually run for Representative and Senatorial seats and perhaps even run for President someday. Such people, honest, dedicated, Constitutionally committed Americans will be the salvation of this country, provided the enemies of freedom, currently led by the figurehead Obama, don't foul it and destroy it first.

We're already behind the eight-ball. We have a lot of catching up to do.

I'm in. Who's with me?

Blessings,
Bill

[Bear Poop]

So when and for what office are you running? So far you have my vote and we need someone to unseat Hill in the Indiana 9th

[VegasGeorge]

I'd like to run for office in Chicago. But, I don't want to leave Las Vegas. That should be OK, shouldn't it? I figure I could just use a mail drop or something like that.

[Bear Poop]

I'd like to run for office in Chicago. But, I don't want to leave Las Vegas. That should be OK, shouldn't it? I figure I could just use a mail drop or something like that.

Well the dead and the unborn can vote in Chicago, so I don't see why you can't call in or mail drop your votes etc!!

This election scares me!

[EBDPA]

I agree with Bill and George... but I have almost lost all hope. This current election was such a farse. So many lies, so much money to propegate those lies on a national level. You repeat a lie long enough, to enough people, it becomes real... even if it is not true. From the economic crisis to R2BA issues, we are in for some alarming changes.

I agree with the basic tenant of 'change' in America. There are alot of things that need to be changed... but Obama's idea of change just scares me. It is enough to make me consider living abroad.... though as you think that out, where would you go... as wounded as our system is, it is still better, by far, than any other country in the world.

I don't know what I am going to do when things really spin out of control. I do know, for sure, that they will have to pry my weapons out of my cold dead hands!

Blessings to anyone who has the strength and gumtion to work for Positive change to our flawed system.

My 2 cents.....

[Bear Poop]

What have we done? Is no one educated or interested in looking at the facts? Do we actually believe the crap the media spoon feeds us without comment or fact checking. I was reluctantly a McCain supporter. So reluctant that had it been clinton running I would have either left the POTUS vote blank or voted 3rd party. But obama is a pure bred Marxist that could sell freezers on Antarctica! His history was/is there to see for those interested in truth.

Most voters are just plain stupid. They have no clue that the credit collapse was started by the CRA (Community Redevelopment Act) signed by carter and expanded by clinton. Or that McCain sponsored a bill for better oversight of FM/FM and was shouted down by the very people heading the committee that had oversight. Most voters have no clue that obama the Marxist hired BOTH Johnson AND Rains who ran FM/FM into debt and cooked the books to rake in MILLIONS in bonuses, while pointing blame on the ONE guy who tried to fix it.

One should have to pass a test to cast a vote. Say 10 questions of actual votes each candidate has made. 90% correct gets you in the voting booth. Fail and bells and whistles go off with a blaring bull horn shouting "TOO STUPID TO VOTE, TOO STUPID TO VOTE"

Can ya tell I am pissed off!! And I am just as pissed off at the 3rd party voters! YEP!! You read the above correct, had the candidate on the left been different I too would have voted 3rd party. So why am I pissed at others about something I said I'd do? Well that is where education and paying attention to the issues and the history of the candidates is key. McCain runs center to just right of center, sometimes drifting to just left of that center. As does clinton. Bam Bam is off the dial left. So far off the dial left that even if you don't like "your" guy you vote "your" guy just to make sure you vote AGAINST bam bam. And take note that I did NOT say the vote was FOR McCain. This vote is absolutely AGAINST obama. One would think (and last night proved me wrong on this) that Ross Paranoid votes showed the danger of 3rd party voting when the chips are down. Forrest was right "Stupid is as stupid does" And Good GAWD last night this nation jumped straight into a 4 mile deep septic tank of stupid!!!

[taking back sunday]

obama is a pure bred Marxist

Ok first of all... Marxist= One who believes the government should own all industry and control all aspects of the people's lives. Obama believes in the free market economy; therefore he is not a Marxist. Get a freaking clue. All he wants to do, along with all other Democrats, is bring a little more government into the picture. Historically speaking, big crisis means big government intervention, and we are on the verge of a crisis. If you are paranoid enough to think Obama could successfully turn the United States into a communist country, you are completely retarded. The president doesn't have supreme control over a LOT of things, including legislative power. There are 538 members in the house and senate; they decide what goes into law and what doesn't.

There is one big thing we have to consider here. Even if you don't like Obama, give the man some respect. Jim Crow segregation ended 40 short years ago when a black man couldn't even order a cup of coffee without being segregated from white people! Hell, the last recorded black lynching wasn't that long ago in Marion, Indiana (early-mid 1920s)! It's absolutely amazing that we have come this far as a nation in that short amount of time to have a black president. I remember growing up in the 90's never even imagining the possibility of a black president, and ten years later it has happened. This is a great victory for America, and if you are too racist or too stupid to see that then i really don't know what to say. If you don't like it, then go to Europe where the political spectrum is FAR larger. Then you can have a good ol' time complaining because there are many communists, marxists, and socialists elected all over the place in their government!
I realize the majority of people on here are republican and are bitter that McCain lost, and I know I'm probably the only one here that is happy Obama won. Fact of the matter is they are both douche bags, and it doesn't really matter. America will survive and we will all be fine.

Note: This post is not meant to offend anyone, nor is it all directed at bear poop, but rather to bring a different perspective to this one-sided forum.

[Bear Poop]

Matt, first one issue MUST be cleared up. Bam bam's color has nothing to do with it. It was long over due that a black man made POTUS, say JC Watts for example. My vote would go to Tony Dungee is a light second!! Color is just not a reason to vote for or against anyone!! It is a silly notion that anyone is pure anything in this country and only the knuckle draggers believe otherwise. My family tree has branches from ALL SEVEN Cont. from as short a time ago my own children. Race is an issue used by those that can't debate the facts of the issues at hand.

And you ignore the fact that he has a majority in BOTH houses, lead by the most liberal the left has to offer. Much damage can be done

[Bear Poop]

OH Matt, I forgot. I like your sig line!!! Reminds me of a line from a Garth Brooks song!

[Bill of Rights]

Matt, first one issue MUST be cleared up. Bam bam's color has nothing to do with it. It was long over due that a black man made POTUS, say JC Watts for example. My vote would go to Tony Dungee is a light second!! Color is just not a reason to vote for or against anyone!! It is a silly notion that anyone is pure anything in this country and only the knuckle draggers believe otherwise. My family tree has branches from ALL SEVEN Cont. from as short a time ago my own children. Race is an issue used by those that can't debate the facts of the issues at hand.

And you ignore the fact that he has a majority in BOTH houses, lead by the most liberal the left has to offer. Much damage can be done

Bingo. This doesn't have one damn thing to do with the color of his skin, as many of his phone canvassers and pollsters tried to make it when anyone said they wouldn't vote Obama. Give me an Alan Keyes with a real chance to win, I'll vote him in in a hot second. It's pure and simple socialist/communist beliefs and platform that had me against Obama.

He wants to charge the oil companies extra taxes if they make "too much profit", as an effort to force them to keep their prices low. This is not capitalism nor free market, it is a destined-for-failure attempt to have gov't control over private industry pricing. Even that fool Carter saw the folly of that and deregulated oil thirty years ago. But, let's pretend that didn't happen. Let's just pretend that that regulation could/should happen again, and the oil companies are hit with huge taxes for their "excessive" profits. I hope no one is shortsighted enough to think that their profit margins will decrease-they'll just raise the prices enough to cover the taxes, gouging all of us even more.

He wants to have gov't-controlled health care. Anyone been to the VA hospitals recently? Anyone seen what happens with Medicare claims/payment? Still think that's a good idea? Socialism won't work any better just because the latest head cheese wasn't in charge before.

He is willing to bankrupt the coal industry. And this will benefit our country how?

He is all too happy to have lawsuits bankrupt the firearms industry. He has said he'll actively seek to ban all semi-auto firearms. When the customer base is law enforcement and military only, how much do you think those rifles and pistols will cost our uniformed forces to purchase to keep those companies in business? Oh right. That's another industry the gov't will take over and run, so that only the "right" people have access to the product.

Leaving aside the fact that none of his named plans are economically feasible, let alone sound, I have one question:

Where the hell would the authority for the Federal gov't to engage in any of these actions be found in the Constitution? Those little things we call the Ninth and Tenth Amendments? The Founders meant them.

The next four years do not bode well for our country. You're glad Obama won? I hope you're equally happy a year or two from now when you see the damage you helped do.

Blessings,
B

[VegasGeorge]

I've made my decision. I'm changing my voter registration to Independent. I'll consider joining a viable, conservative party if one ever gets organized. And, I'm willing to do some of the organizing work. I'd even stand for election if there was an organization behind me. I'm totally disgusted with the current state of politics in this country. It seems to me that all of us conservatives have been disenfranchised as the Republican Party has turned its back on us.

[brotherbill3]

{Sorry if this rambles just a little (or a lot.) … and that it got to be so long …}

Well, hopefully, none of us have to experience the “all the <possible> damages” that could be brought about by the results of the election. I sure hope we don’t have too experience even a few … I think overall far too much credit is given (or blame assessed) to the president for what happens anyway (like the economy?). Not to say the President Elect doesn’t have a quite a few cards on the table in his favor, with the congress he has to start out his term. He was saying this was a mandate for ‘Change’ … I keep trying to point out to those around me that not all change is always for the better. Only posterity (or our posteriors maybe :) if we get kicked around too much) will be able to tell if it is or was good or not …

Anyway, now at least the votes are cast, and we (all) have a new President Elect, regardless of how we voted. We can go back to being “Americans” instead of “Republican” and “Democrat”; unless you work in one of the 51 capitols (states or federal); then I guess that still matters. For now we can get to the part of our government that many people and countries DO NOT get … the peaceful, transition of power from A to B.

I seem to remember from my American history (I may be part elephant to think that I remember this ;) ) that the founding fathers didn’t want a ‘limit’ on who could vote. … Preferring that the average person would vote clearly on his conscience, understanding, and using something we seem to have lost called “common sense”. I would also think (having just won a major war to gain these rights) that they also hoped everyone would embrace their freedom, and WANT to make smart choices, but also realized the dangers of those who were “Confident their ways are best …and That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves” (excerpt / credit to Rush/”Witch Hunt”). Then again, they also didn’t have the idiot box blaring away 24-7 with videos and messages from the candidates and with such a bias towards one side (or totally MIS-educating EVERYONE on things like gun issues, which are rarely ever show correctly on TV, and no wonder the masses don’t see these issues the way we do).

SO … now is the time when we (gun owners, carriers, and 2nd Amendment supporters, etc) must really get to work. We need speak out; speak clearly; speak simply and truly. And we probably need to speak OFTEN … I say speak, but I mean also correspond on paper, e-mail and any other means that can make a difference. Many people disagree on what the 2nd Amendment is about; many don’t understand it at all. Some are scared of it. Others think it is an ‘antiquated concept’. We need to educate, inform and transform minds. We need to remember to disagree, agreeably within our own ranks. Obviously our ‘opposition’ has a new ‘leader’ at the forefront. We need to address issues and stay on top of issues. And create smart solutions and arguments that cannot be swayed; only avoided if we aren’t persistent. And if we do this properly – we are paving the way to the rest of the solution too. I would call it BEING INVOLVED and USING YOUR HEAD (thinking I mean, not bashing in doors or crushing beer cans). Too many people, see what info the media provides, and don’t look beyond this (take for example, has anyone received the e-mail lately about how Microsoft is going to pay everybody for sending it on everyone in their address book and oh yeah, its been checked out by a lawyer so it must be true. HAHA I should be so lucky I get it so often.)

What really concerns me with the ‘elect’ administration is not so much what he said, or how he said it. It is this:
IF he (Obama) can say “I support the 2nd Amendment” [clearly a fringe issue for most voters this election]; yet be on record as saying and/or voting that he is for: 1.Banning ALL semi-auto weapons, 2.Opposing concealed carry, 3.In favor of ‘firing pin or ammunition encoding’, 4.Wanting a 500% increase in tax on ammunition and 5.All sorts of other things that will basically make the 2nd Amendment ‘void by costs’ (meaning no average person, let alone ‘just getting by guy” like me, will be able to afford to shoot or own a gun) – what else is he NOT saying / going to try to do on other [main] issues that “WE” (all the public) are not seeing right now or just thought oh well about? And I don’t mean to imply that Senator McCain wouldn’t have some issues that would be ‘hidden’/ignored like this too … this is politics, they all have some issues. It just seems that the President Elect had more issues like this (I also think this could be attributed to the “we want to have our cake and to eat it too, and we want it now and no we don’t want to hear that it may not be that easy” mentality from the TV generation, too). So now WE (and those like us on this forum) have to work harder, smarter and more diligently to preserve our rights and our cause, and in doing so, lead others to do the same … perhaps we will get to the solution we need; both for 2nd Amendment issues, and politics in general.

"Brother" Bill ...
(I still need a good sig line, don't I ...
can I borrow "Lead, Follow, or get out of the way" for this post?
I think it was said by either Patton or Eisenhower).

[jlc]

I'd like to run for office in Chicago. But, I don't want to leave Las Vegas. That should be OK, shouldn't it? I figure I could just use a mail drop or something like that.

Sounds good and believe me you couldn't be any less effective that Hussain, in his 147 day career in the Illinois senate. "present" I really don't know how much there is to save in Illinois considering what daley and his ilk has wrought on Chicago.

[Bear Poop]

Well I see that the GOP in t House are stiring things up. Mike Pence is running for one of the leadership positions. He is a true conservative to his very core. It ismy hope of hopes that this is the first shot fired in taking back a strong conservatice GOP!!!

[VegasGeorge]

.... It is my hope of hopes that this is the first shot fired in taking back a strong conservatice GOP!!!

I'm leaving the GOP at least until it becomes something more than a bunch of butt licks for the liberal Democrats. I am appalled at what national GOP leadership has allowed to happen. I hope all the conservative members leave the GOP. Maybe then we could have a party of our own.

[liquibyte]

I swear to God I'm sick of hearing that this election had nothing to do with color. If you don't think so then you are either naive or stupid. Sure, you didn't vote that way but I'll be 99% of those in the perceived minority did due to the fact that they think they've been fucked over by the man (and by that I mean you and I). I'm probably the only person that has ever been turned down for a sub-prime and you want to know why? Three, 3!!! banks told me that it was because I'm white!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck you this isn't about race.

[VegasGeorge]

One interesting aspect of this election has to do with race. Blacks only constitute about 10% of the population, so I suspect they constitute a considerably smaller percentage of the voters. Obviously there is no way a Black could ever get elected President without receiving a significant percentage of the white vote. That's exactly what happened, Obama got the white vote. Now, blacks in this country have been going around for decades pissing and moaning about how whites discriminate against them. Well, obviously they are wrong, that is not the case. So, when do we get to hear them say "Gee, we were wrong. White people treat us OK after all?" I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[taking back sunday]

One interesting aspect of this election has to do with race. Blacks only constitute about 10% of the population, so I suspect they constitute a considerably smaller percentage of the voters. Obviously there is no way a Black could ever get elected President without receiving a significant percentage of the white vote. That's exactly what happened, Obama got the white vote. Now, blacks in this country have been going around for decades pissing and moaning about how whites discriminate against them. Well, obviously they are wrong, that is not the case. So, when do we get to hear them say "Gee, we were wrong. White people treat us OK after all?" I'm not holding my breath on that one.

There are a few things i find interesting in your post. First of all, even though blacks only constitute about 10% of the population (i assume you mean voting population) it is still a significant minority that cannot be overlooked. I have seen many statistics on how many voted for obama, and the number was always about 95%. That is a lot of votes. I agree that there are far too many African Americans who moan about discrimination and oppression from the white man. If they want to see real oppression then they should take a visit back to 1840 when their ancestors were enslaved and forced to do back-breaking work for 12 hours a day, and if they didn't they would be killed; now that is real oppression! I do not however think that white people treat them good by any means. I live in Indiana where racism is still VERY real and prevalent. Hell, I worked on a roof this summer and the owner of the house is a proud member of the Ku Klux Klan! He talked about how he wished he could go back in the day and "kill them ni*****" There were only a few African Americans in my high school and they were treated like second class citizens by both teachers and students. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but just 70 years ago in Marion, Indiana 3 black men were imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit, then dragged from the jail by white people, and 2 of them were lynched simply because they were black. My grandpa and 100 year old great grandma remember this happening, so i think it's a little naive to think that racism isn't an issue in this country and white people treat blacks well. Granted, this stuff is in the past and we have made a great deal of progress in a short amount of time, I don't think black people should be saying "yeah we were wrong. they treat us well."

[Bill of Rights]

...I live in Indiana where racism is still VERY real and prevalent....

I, too, live in Indiana. I also was born and raised in South Texas. Being in Indiana, I am also a citizen of the United States, in which racism is still very real and prevalent. Why, just this month, a male person
(note that I do not in any way consider him a "man"; it takes more than a Y chromosome to make a person a man.) was elected President solely because of the color of his skin.

In evidence, I place the fact that throughout the campaign, it was emphasized that he was half-Caucasian, though whenever anyone criticized a policy of his or if one dared to tell a pollster that he or she was not going to vote for Barry Hussein, the first question back was, "Why don't you want a Black man to be president?!" I was never asked this question, though my answer would have been, "I don't have any problem with a Black man for president. Run Alan Keyes with a real chance of winning and he'll have my vote."

Additionally, funny thing, but while it consistently was "not about race", suddenly after the election, the media was fawning all over him with "...first Black President..." and the like.

I have no problem with a Black person for President. Just not that Black person. Show me a man or woman who respects the Constitution as written and has a record of having done so and I'll support him or her.

Obama does not qualify on any of those points.

Blessings,
B

[jayspapa2002]

Well said B o R
Haveing lived in Southern Illinois all my life , ( 54 years ) I have watched the MACHINE of Chicago in operation. All one has to do is look at how well things are going in this state with the Dems. in charge . Now we have a man as president elect from the Machine and the whole country is going to be in trouble. I just can not believe so many people drank the Kool-aid!!!!

[VegasGeorge]

Yes Bill, I'm with you on your assessment of Obama. As far as the racial prejudice issue goes, I've been a westerner all my life. I always attended an integrated public school. I never heard any member of my family say anything derogatory about another race while growing up. I don't remember any kind of prejudice or racial bias among my friends. I've read about prejudice, and seen it portrayed on TV and in the movies. It has always seemed foreign to me. It just isn't part of my life experience. So, I don't think anyone would be justified in accusing me of racism just because I detest Obama's politics and question his character. I'd feel exactly the same way about any socialist with terrorist connections, regardless of race.

[Bear Poop]

My best friend while stationed in Montana was black, his wife white. The crap they got from THEIR OWN FAMILIES was enough to make interacial marriages a no no. And this was while I myself was married to a non white! My wife then was Thai. We too had crap to deal with but not nearly the as bad as my friend and his wife. And their child? OMG!!! She was just to young to understand why grampa and gramma didn't love her. I wanted to bust some heads!

Today, I see interacial marriages that have a LOT FEWER of those kinds of problems. Most problems are of culture. And this applies to all marriages that mix ANY race and even other countries of the same race.

Bill of Rights, you are dead on about the vote!