Off Limits in Oregon

[Genghis77]

Beware that all private and leased timberlands owned or held by Weyerhauser are off limits to all fire arms. This often includes leased State and Federal lands. They will prosecute for criminal trespass among other things. Criminal trespass is a felony and punishable by 1 year in prison. This holds true in other states and locations. Weyerhauser has a mill in Oklahoma and searched employees in the parking lot. Those with firearms were fired. I know of no other logging companies with such prohibitions. Long as you shoot or hunt outside working logging operations, even extending a welcome.

We only have one National Park, Crater Lake. Guns are prohibited there, even if dissassembled and locked in your trunk.

It not be total but all grammar and high schools prohibit firearms and other weapons on schoolgrounds. Due to a recent incident of frat brothers shooting homeless people, firearms are now prohibited on the OSU campus in Corvalis.

Another very anti gun company is Caterpillar. The ones that make heavy equipment. A couple years ago reported to be the biggest corporate contributer to anti gun legislation.

[Stubob]

And those employees that were fired should not have been. The new law in Oklahoma is states that employees can bring the CCW gun and leave it in the car as long as it is not at State, Federal or School property. And there is a provision that says the employer will not be held liable for anything.

It is a shame about those employees. thanks for the other information.

[Bill of Rights]

I would question the idea of the legality of searching employees' cars without permission, as if I'm not mistaken, this would be tantamount to "auto theft" or "burglary of a vehicle" or some such charge. Termination on the grounds that the employee refused to allow a search of his vehicle would at the least be "not for cause", and thus, unemployment benefits would be payable, not to mention a wrongful termination as a violation of Fourth Amendment protections. I would look on this as a financial opportunity if I was terminated by an employer for reasons like this.

Further, I would question the legitimacy of firearms being prohibited even disassembled and locked in the trunk- "Peaceable Journey" laws would seem to make this an erroneous claim-Hell, you can even drive through Chicago with a disassembled and non-functional weapon in a "secure wrapper". I'd like a citation of the law in question, if that's available, please, as I think it likely that it's been misinterpreted.

Lastly, not all elementary and high schools are by law, totally gun free. The state of Utah, in full compliance with the so-called "Gun Free School Zone Act", allows individuals with valid CCW permits to carry there. Other than that, however, I am not aware of any state that has removed the state-level restriction on school carry.

Blessings,
M

[Stubob]

In Oklahoma - K-12 you can have your CCW in the car while you pick your child up. You can not leave the car.

Universities - Must have written permission from the Dean and that does not happen offten.

Each State may have a little twist to the CCW and schools. Hope that helps.

This would be a good upgrade to the web site as we get bigger - a section for school laws.

We are just now adding the State and Nationa Parks. That will take some time for the staff as there is nothing in one central place.

[Bill of Rights]

In Oklahoma - K-12 you can have your CCW in the car while you pick your child up. You can not leave the car.

Indiana has the same thing.

Universities - Must have written permission from the Dean and that does not happen offten.

No force of law to the idea that no one may carry on university campuses, but if found, they can expel you, if a student, or fire you if an employee. If a private citizen, all they can do legally is ask you to leave or remove the firearm. (the latter, IMHO, as it should be.)

This would be a good upgrade to the web site as we get bigger - a section for school laws.

I'd like to see that, if for no other reason than those who will come eventually who have children in schools and don't want to run afoul of the law.

We are just now adding the State and Nationa Parks. That will take some time for the staff as there is nothing in one central place.

I know Indiana State Parks(and all state DNR land) were to get the restriction on CCW lifted. There was talk of this shortly after the lifetime permit went into effect a year ago this past July.

Like what you guys're doing, Stubob. It looks great! What would you think about a glossary that we could all add to, for things like the meanings of such things as ACP, GAP, IANAL, Condition 1 (through 4), Condition White (through Red), and the ever useful reference to Rectal-Cranial Inversion.
:lol:

Blessings,
M

[Genghis77]

I am unsure of the full details, but Weyhauser claimed ownership of the parking lot and their right to search. I do now dogs were brought in to locate the guns.

I worked for a while at GM Desert Proving Grounds. Driving a Ford, I was not allowed to park in the employees parking lot. I had to park across the highway on the desert.

Employees working at Goodyear Aerospace got letters about not having Goodyear tires on their cars and the same proibited from parking in the employees parking lot 30 days later if uncorrected. Employers have quite a bit of clout over their parking lots.

[Bill of Rights]

Simple phrase:
"You may not search my car unless you have a search warrant."
Their dog alerted on my car (indicating gunpowder) however they have no indication that I've broken any laws or possess anything unlawful. If they think they have probable cause for a warrant, call a cop and get one. If they want to fire me because I'm exercising my rights, that's their option, but I hope they have a good lawyer and don't mind lots of bad press, because I will make it my business to ensure that everyone in town, possibly the state, and if I can, the entire country knows exactly what they did here. The lot is the owner's property, but the car is mine.
Little thing called the Fourth Amendment. Companies don't make their own laws, and even if they did, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. It's time more people learned these facts.

Blessings,
M

[Lady Di]

You are absolutely correct, St. Michael. The Supreme Court has made it very clear what can and cannot be searched. In public schools, lockers can be searched since they are clearly considered government property. Purses, backpacks, and vehicles CANNOT be searched without probable cause. Probable cause is not defined as mere suspicion. No one has to submit to an employer's unreasonable demands.