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Stubob
09-30-2007, 12:43 PM
Let us know what your favorite gun quotes are - even if there your own.

"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right."

-- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999).


"Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns."

-- U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, NCJ-143454, "Urban Delinquency and Substance Abuse," August 1995.

nodaywithout
10-01-2007, 07:31 AM
“I am in support of the NRA position on gun control.”
Bill Clinton quotes (American 42nd US President (1993-2001), b.1946

“The fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of the gun.”
P. G. Wodehouse quotes

“Gun control is not the answer to stop crimes committed with firearms,”
Steve Largent quotes

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Lady Di
10-01-2007, 08:43 AM
‘‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.’’

— Patrick Henry

Lady Di
10-01-2007, 08:45 AM
‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’

— Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764

Lady Di
10-01-2007, 08:46 AM
‘‘[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.’’

— James Madison, Federalist, No. 46.

Lady Di
10-01-2007, 08:49 AM
‘‘We, the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution.’’

— Abraham Lincoln

Lady Di
10-01-2007, 08:50 AM
‘‘I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.’’
‘‘To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.’’

— George Mason

Bill of Rights
10-01-2007, 01:01 PM
"Hey y'all! Watch this! YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAW!!! Oh sh--*!"

--some guy who just poured some chlorine in the gene pool

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Blessings,
M

Raccoon
10-01-2007, 02:18 PM
And the obvious ---

You can have my gun, when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger.

. . .Gun control; the ability to hit the center of the target.

Bill of Rights
10-01-2007, 07:04 PM
"They that would sacrifice essential liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." --Ben Franklin

THE OBVIOUS SOLUTION

Stonewall Jackson usually thought only in terms of attack. This attitude was exemplified on December 14, 1862, at Fredericksburg, Virginia. Vastly outnumbered by the Federals, Jackson was asked by a staff member, “How shall we ever cope with the overwhelming numbers of the enemy ?” Jackson’s reply was to the point, “Kill them, sir, kill every man!”

NOT THE ONLY WAY TO FIGHT

Bringing up the reserves for the fighting near Kernstown, Stonewall encountered men going to the rear. He asked why they were leaving the fight. When he was told because they had fired all their cartridges and didn’t know where to get anymore, Jackson shouted, “Then go back and give them the bayonet !”


Ben Franklin rocks, but was Stonewall Jackson taken for granite? :lol:
(EDIT: It's not that I like the Stonewall Jackson quotes, but I had to give a reason to make that horrible pun. Sorry.)

I also just found another couple:

"The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people's liberty teeth. A free people ought to be armed. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour." -- George Washington

Blessings,
M

VegasGeorge
10-01-2007, 09:39 PM
"You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone (1899-1947)


"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -- Mao Tse-tung, 1938


"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon", 1942

Bill of Rights
10-03-2007, 09:20 PM
Hi all,

I found this site earlier today, with a group of "flash" movies on it. Some, especially the one about "(in)Famous Gun Nuts" truly rock.

http://www.flashbunny.org/index/Movies.html

Enjoy!

Blessings,
M

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 03:09 PM
"Let us beware of any tyrants who would seize our guns. The illusion of "peace" through a "one-world" government is not worthy of such risk."

Winston Churchill's words to British Parliament in 1939 ring true today:

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 03:11 PM
‘‘Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined’’


— Patrick Henry

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 03:25 PM
‘‘The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.’’

— Patrick Henry

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 06:13 PM
"In short, the foundation of a great empire is laid, and I please myself with a persuasion, that Providence will not leave its work imperfect."

--George Washington, 1786

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 06:16 PM
"In questions of power, then let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind them down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

--Thomas Jefferson, 1798

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 06:18 PM
"On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it conform to the probable one in which it was passed."

--Thomas Jefferson, 1823

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 06:20 PM
"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power into tyranny are to illuminate...the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that they may...know ambition under all its shapes, and...exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes."

--Thomas Jefferson, 1779

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 06:23 PM
"The boys of the rising generation are to be the men of the next, and the sole guardians of the principles we deliver over to them."

--Thomas Jefferson, 1910

Stubob
10-07-2007, 10:30 PM
Remind me in two weeks and lets all vote on a winner for some kind of prize. These are great!

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 11:05 PM
"...one loves to possess arms, tho[ugh] they hope never to have occasion for them." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to George Washington, June 19, 1796. ME 9:341 Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition (Lipscomb and Bergh, editors) 20 Vols., Washington, D.C., 1903-04.

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 11:06 PM
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 (Foley, Ed., reissued 1967). (Letter to Peter Carr, his 15-year-old nephew, August 19, 1785)

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 11:06 PM
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778.

Lady Di
10-07-2007, 11:09 PM
"Fear is the foundation of most governments..." John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776.

Lady Di
10-08-2007, 09:54 AM
"Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well-wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution never to violate in the least particular the laws of the country, and never to tolerate their violation by others. As the patriots of seventy-six did to the support of the Declaration of Independence, so to the support of the Constitution and laws let every American pledge his life, his property, and his sacred honor -- let every man remember that to violate the law is to trample on the blood of his father, and to tear the charter of his own and his children's liberty. Let reverence for the laws be breathed by every American mother to the lisping babe that prattles on her lap; let it be taught in schools, in seminaries, and in colleges; let it be written in primers, spelling books, and in almanacs; let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative halls, and enforced in the courts of justice. --Abraham Lincoln, 1837, in an address before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois

Lady Di's note: I pray that the Supreme Court justices have Lincoln's attitude in deciding the 2nd Amendment case.

Bill of Rights
10-08-2007, 12:07 PM
With respect, I agree with the spirit of your wish, Lady Di, but not the letter of it. I don't want SCOTUS following just "the laws" because at least 22,000 of those laws are exactly what the Parker decision is going to SCOTUS to hopefully reverse. Let them pay heed to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Consider also that Parker also has some issues that we may not like: It covers absolutely nothing about CCW. It allows and even promotes restrictions on locations where a gun can or cannot legally be brought, and while this is an improvement over what DC has now, it may not be the boon we hope it to be. We stand to gain a little in a win, presuming the Court decides that DC was overly restrictive, but we stand to lose horribly if they decide otherwise. I can speak for no one else, but I pray for our Justices' collective wisdom, attention, and allegience to that which they defend: Our Constitution, as amended.

Blessings,
M

Lady Di
10-08-2007, 12:23 PM
St. Michael,
Thanks for the opportunity to clarify my position as I agree with yours whole-heartedly. There are many "laws" on the books that are unjust and unconstitutional. These are not the laws to which I was referring in my previous post. My main focus was that of the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land. As a side note, while the focus of Lincoln's speech was about upholding the Constitution at all costs, I found it ironic that he was the one who violated it by suspending the Writ of Habeas Corpus and the Tenth Amendment.

The gun laws in D.C. are unconstitutional; therefore, it is my opinion that the D.C. officials who enacted those laws are lawbreakers since they violated the Constitution by imposing them on the people of that district. Indeed, the justices should "pay heed to the Constitution of the United States of America." You'll get no argument from me there. :P

Bill of Rights
10-08-2007, 12:32 PM
St. Michael,
Thanks for the opportunity to clarify my position as I agree with yours whole-heartedly. There are many "laws" on the books that are unjust and unconstitutional. These are not the laws to which I was referring in my previous post. My main focus was that of the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land.

The gun laws in D.C. are unconstitutional; therefore, it is my opinion that the D.C. officials who enacted those laws are lawbreakers since they violated the Constitution by imposing them on the people of that district. Indeed, the justices should "pay heed to the Constitution of the United States of America." You'll get no argument from me there. :P

Thanks for clarifying, Lady Di. I knew what you meant, and I'm sure 99%+ of the others here did, too. You know how I am with details, though, and to me, we have over 22,000 details that need to be erased.

(addendum: You're also correct about Lincoln, who is so often lauded as such a great man and President, but who violated his oath of office and the morals for which he is so often praised, by violating the Constitution he swore to "preserve, protect, and defend". Of note, there existed a 13th Amendment, the one ratified by but two states (OH, & MD) prior to the onset of the War of Northern Aggression, had Lincoln's signature on it, in the mistaken belief that he had to sign it just as he did any legislation, the only Constitutional Amendment ever to carry a President's signature. This Amendment, later replaced by the one we have today, was known as the Corwin Amendment: "No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.", of which Lincoln spoke in his Inaugural Address, "holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." Oddly enough, the Confederate Constitution contained no such provision against future amendment, though it did specify that slaves were property. Assessment: I believe that Mr. Lincoln at some point did believe in the concept of "states' rights"despite this being a misnomer. For some reason, he changed his opinion and his actions, sending troops to effectively make entry into the Union an irreversible decision. I have to wonder if his advisors were the ancestors of those who advised Clinton to lie to the American people. (Of note, while I was young and stupid when Clinton ran for office, the mirror tells me I'm no longer young and I flatter myself to think I'm no longer stupid either.)

Go, Fred, Go!) (end addendum)

Have a great day.

Blessings,
M

Lady Di
10-08-2007, 08:41 PM
"[T]he Constitution does not say Government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution says `the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.`"--President Ronald Reagan

Lady Di
10-08-2007, 09:05 PM
"We will never disarm any American who seeks to protect his or her family from fear and harm." -- President Ronald Reagan

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." --Ronald Reagan

Bill of Rights
10-13-2007, 03:55 AM
Someone I know wrote this one:

Nothing stops a criminal but a coffin or a cell
Lock 'em up forever or send 'em straight to hell.
Robber or a rapist, killer or a thief
Severe the nature of the threat, though duration's brief.
Pull the trigger, make short shrift
And call a Stygian charter
Pennies on their eyes my gift
To pay old Charon's barter.

Bless the innocent, O Lord,
Your peace to those who live
In this dark time, serenity
Alone Your gift to give.

Justice, Justice, shalt thou pursue,
Quoth the fifth book of Your tome
But only with Your help O Lord,
Will we again come home.
--WBA

FutureShooter
11-07-2007, 10:34 PM
“There are some circles in America where it seems to be more socially acceptable to carry a hand-gun than a packet of cigarettes.”

-Katharine Whitehorn

junglebob
11-07-2007, 11:49 PM
Disarming the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them. George Mason

For whom I assume George Mason University was named, which recently considered a rule that students be disarmed.

Bill of Rights
11-08-2007, 12:20 AM
“There are some circles in America where it seems to be more socially acceptable to carry a hand-gun than a packet of cigarettes.”

-Katharine Whitehorn

Would that 'twere so everywhere! -me

Blessings,
M

Bill of Rights
11-18-2007, 11:54 PM
Two from V For Vendetta

In the closing credits, according to imdb.com, there are two voice-overs:

Closing Credits Music Voiceover - Male: Concerning non-violence: It is criminal to teach man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.
Closing Credits Music Voiceover - Female: Sex and Race, because they are easy, visible differences, have been the primary ways of organising human beings into superior and inferior groups and into the cheap labour on which this system still depends. We are talking about a society in which there will be no roles other than those chosen, or those earned. We are really talking about Humanism.

Granted, the latter is not really on topic here, but they went together, it seems, so I posted both.

I have goosebumps, reading the former.

Blessings,
M

Tanzer
01-17-2008, 12:30 PM
God created man.
Sam Colt made them equal. ~Unknown (at least by me)~