Pediatricians

[Bill of Rights]

Hi all,

I just read the article in "news" about how pediatricians are being advised by their professional organization(s) to ask children about whether or not their parents own guns, how many, the storage thereof, etc.

I saw this once before when packing dot org was still around, and a post was made at the time of a good method by which to deal with this assault on lawful gun owners, called the "Doctor's Practice Form for Patients". I don't recall where it was originally posted, but I just found it again at the following URL: http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/gunstuff/gundocform.pdf

I find it exceedingly interesting that these doctors focus on the exercise of the rights by lawful gun owners in light of the following:

In 2004, the AMA reported 690,000 physicians in the United States. There were, at that time, an estimated 200,000,000 guns as well. No empirically provable total is possible.

According to the CDC, there were 2,883 accidental deaths attributed officially to accidents by medical practitioners, e.g. surgery, in-hospital, etc., while in the same year, 2004, there were a total of 649 deaths attributed officially to accidental discharge of a firearm (as differentiated from assaults, suicides, or legal intervention.

This means that there were slightly more than 4 accidental deaths per thousand physicians in that year, while there were slightly more than three deaths per million firearms that were attributed to accidental causes.

Conclusion: When discussing accidents leading to a fatality, an American physician is approximately 1,288 times more dangerous than an American firearm.

"What's that, Doctor? 'Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain'?"

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
M

[VegasGeorge]

Yeah, and there are more old drunks than there are old doctors, etc., etc.

This whole medical priesthood thing is too much for me. I don't go to a doctor for firearms safety advice, political advice, financial advice, or spiritual advice. I only go for medical advice.

At least its comforting to see that the physicians are in such good company, i.e., rock stars, actors, and TV talk show hosts.

On the same subject, the radio personality, Doctor Dean Edell, drives me crazy with his constant left wing commentary mixed in with his medical advice. I like most of his medical ideas. He can take the rest and stuff it.

[Bill of Rights]

The biggest difference, though, George, is that, as someone pointed out recently, Hollywood has an excuse for not liking CCW, that being that responsible armed citizens end most Hollywood plots very, very quickly: Cujo: (Big, rabid dog outside the car) "Hold your ears, honey, this'll be loud." [BANG]
Nightmare on Elm Street: (Freddy, approaching with his razor fingers) http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/Smileys/default/shooter.gif

You get the idea.

Musicians, I suppose, don't want to lose the gang-bangers who provide so much material that they write.

Dean Edell, though- I'm not sure what his angle is, unless he's just too Left or too dumb to see the truth.

I'm with you, though. I see my doc for medical advice and you guys here for gun advice.

I suppose I could consult Edell for advice on how to be a highly-paid moron with a Leftist agenda... :lol: :roll:

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
M

[Lady Di]

There are some doctors who reject the left wing propaganda of their medical associations. Check it out here:

http://www.claremont.org/projects/pageID.305/default.asp

[nodaywithout]

for me personally i do not have kids at this time, but if i did i would probably not go to a doctor that does not approve of guns. simply because they would be more likely to put up a "no guns allowed" sign. where as i would be more comfortable with a doctor that has a CC permit.

However no matter how i feel about the doctors political view on CCW it would be the health of the child that i would care about most

[45Fan]

I would walk. If that is an example of how he/she makes decisions, I would not trust them with my Childs health.

An idiot is an idiot...

[packnrat]

no crumb crunchers here.

if i have to see a dr (or if i had a kid) if said dr started to yap about gun control,
i would ask to see his degree on gun ownership and his firearms training cert. what school he was taught how to handle a gun.
if no to these questions i would then ask in what line of work is he in.
if med dr then i would ask about why i am there. sure he would get pissed off, but i can allways just sue him for malpratice.

[Mudcat]

45 Fan wrote:
An idiot is an idiot...
I agree if he won't protect my rights as a U.S. Citizen why would I think he is going to protect my childs health.

BoR wrote:
Dean Edell, though- I'm not sure what his angle is, unless he's just too Left or too dumb to see the truth.
IMHO it think it's probably 50/50.... well maybe 25/75.

[OldTXCop]

So... Guns don't kill people, Doctors Do!!!

BTW, my youngest is in high school and plays baseball. Our family doctor is the team physician. I don't know how he feels about CCW, but he's a deer hunter.

[DMorrison]

I'm one of those people, who pressed for their opinion will give it loud and clear. My wife recently was surprised that I carried to church, (we all have read about the events the last month and a half), I told her about them. If a doctor pressed me or my child about gun ownership/storage I would simply tell him the truth, plan and simple. As long as I was receiving qaulity medical care, I wouldn't care. I try to live my life under the principle that I will engage in no activity I would be embarrassed/ashamed of having the public know. So let him know, let him know that I carry, let him know what type of safe I have, and that (when he gets old enough) i will take my son to the range and he will learn how to handle a gun safely and responsibly, and he will never have open acess to a firearm until he is old enough to die for his country (needless to say, i have serious problem with the drinking laws in this country). I said i would stand for freedom of speech, and truly by that we often mean opinion, and as long as the doctor didn't step out of line, I might be able to write it off to concern for my child's safety, even if i was misguided.

[Bill of Rights]

Good thoughts, DMorrison. I suppose my concern is that the doctor will make a note in the medical record (which while HIPPA prohibits them from releasing to any citizen, does not prohibit them from releasing to government authority (in other words, you can't release the info to the master, only to the servant? What's wrong with this picture?!))

I also don't want my insurance rates going up because some tool in a white coat decided that I had implements of destruction around the house. I'm not at all embarrassed by my guns nor by the fact that I carry them. I'm also not embarrassed by the size of certain parts of my anatomy, but I don't publicly share that information either. :)

Blessings,
B

[Novel idea]

Let's face facts. Disease is far more likely to kill someone than a violent criminal. I would get the best damn doctor I could afford regardless of his or her ethics or beliefs.

[Bill of Rights]

Feel free to do so. Disease is more likely to kill in some places, yes, but much as I won't wait for a cop to deal with the criminal, I'm not waiting for a doc to find what's wrong with me either. Too, one approach to medicine is to treat "holistically", meaning to treat the whole patient. If the doc doesn't respect my rights and my attitudes, he or she cannot effectively and completely treat me, and is therefore, no matter his or her qualifications, not by definition the best doctor.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Blessings,
B

[duc_fan]

If the doctor is attempting to imply that gun ownership is dangerous to children, I am taking my kids elsewhere, because he obviously needs an education.

Backyard pools are statistically more dangerous to children than firearms in the home.

So is he going to question me about my pool, whether it's gated, whether it's drained out-of-season, whether the kids always swim supervised? I don't think that most reasonable parents would tolerate that sort of nannying, so why should I tolerate it with regard to firearm ownership around children?

Proper training. Discipline. Sound safety practices. These points are critical, and can mean the difference between life and death for any child, regardless of whether there's a gun in the household.

[Dan in Broken Arrow]

I think if anything; Congress should pass a mandatory 7 day waiting period on doctors giving diagnosis until a respected 2nd opinion test have been ran and confirmed.

These so called doctors go to college and get a degree, then they go med school for another 2-3 years, then they do a residency for another 2 years or so, and when they start to poke and prod they call it "practice".

Rant off; If there are any here who are doctors, well I am sorry.

Dan