A hello and a question...

[Erus]

*waves Hi*
New to the forum, native Las Vegas boy here, been OC'ing most of my adult life... MY wife just got her CCW and I am considering mine.. I carry a 1911 almost everywhere I go (openly) and am pretty close to going to get my own CCW.. But.. With NV's new laws regarding the "type" issue (IOW have to have specific info for semi's and can carry any general revolver with ccw..) I wonder this: How is a derringer classified?

I would like to carry my 1911 (listed by model and caliber etc on permit) and any old BUG revolver (which I could choose a different one daily once qualifed..) but what if I also want to tuck my lil ole .38 derringer in my pocket?
Is it a model specific semi, or any generic revolver issue re: the permit?

Now of course I know it is neither.. but on the permit, must I qualify with the EXACT lil two-gun I want to carry.. or with any derringer so I can carry which ever one I happen to grab in the morning?

Anyone have any idea?
(and ok I know.. it's a derringer ick.. who would carry one.. but for a last resort, two more up-close shots JIC, it seems a nice third in line option for me...)

Thanks for the time, and thoughts, if any..
and for the forum in general.

Erus

[VegasGeorge]

I think this may help.

My understanding is that Nevada will allow up to 12 guns to be listed on a CCW permit. Each gun has to be specifically identified, by serial number. You can carry any or all of the guns listed on permit, and you can carry all of them at once if you can conceal them.

[Bill of Rights]

I think may help.

My understanding is that Nevada will allow up to 12 guns to be listed on a CCW permit. Each gun has to be specifically identified, by serial number. You can carry any or all of the guns listed on permit, and you can carry all of them at once if you can conceal them.

Let's see... One on each ankle... one on each hip, two in a Thunderwear, one in a jackass rig and one at SOB... Maybe a couple in pocket carry... A fanny pack, maybe... and a dayrunner as was reviewed here. OK, that's 12.

They'd all be concealed, of course, but if anyone thinks it wouldn't be obvious someone was heavily armed, and I mean that very literally, they'd have to be blind. Besides... With guns in so many places :shock: , WHERE are you supposed to carry reloads :?: :?: :?:
:wink:
Blessings,
M

[Erus]

I think this may help.

My understanding is that Nevada will allow up to 12 guns to be listed on a CCW permit. Each gun has to be specifically identified, by serial number. You can carry any or all of the guns listed on permit, and you can carry all of them at once if you can conceal them.

Hi VegasGeorge,
Thanks for the reply...

It is my understanding, that with the new law, effective Oct. 1st, the only arms that must be specifically listed by make model are semiauto's. ANY revolver qualification means you can carry any revolver. It is further my understanding that serial numbers wil not be required. In other words, if I qualify with (and list on my permit) a Bersa thunder .380, I can carry ANY bersa thunder .380, but if I qualify and list on my permit say a ruger special six .357 revolver, I can carry ANY revolver. I am not wondering can I get away without qualifying with the derringer, but I am wondering if I must list and carry the specific derringer, or once qualified, can I now carry ANY derringer. In other words, is a two shot tiny backup considered a semiauto or a revolver for the purpases of this rule?

If I have misunderstood or misread the new law, the question is moot, of course.. but if I am correct, can I buy a whole week's worth of derringers to match my outfits,* joking* or do I have to carry the same one every day. (please understand I know how silly that is.. and how easy it may be to dismiss a derringer at all for carry, but if my 1911 gets empty, and my lil snubby .357 gets caught in my front pocket, I sure would like something for close up and personal LAST resort in my backpocket...)

Thanks

[VegasGeorge]

Erus, thanks for straightening me out on this. Serial numbers are not required.

Semi autos have to be individually described by make, model, and caliber.

Revolvers are just all lumped together as "Yes," or "No."

And, in the definitions section of the code, "Revolver" includes both single and double derringers.

That should just about answer it all.

[Erus]

Thanks VegasGeorge,
I guess my source for the CODE is bad or incomplete..(or my eyes are) I did not see anything about which catagory they fell under. Now I know I just need to put my "normal" semi on the permit and qualify with any revolver to be able to carry what I want to. (though it still galls me that I need "permission" to carry my arms at all.. grrrr.)

Really appreciate the info, VG.

Erus

[varminter22]

I think this may help.

My understanding is that Nevada will allow up to 12 guns to be listed on a CCW permit. Each gun has to be specifically identified, by serial number. You can carry any or all of the guns listed on permit, and you can carry all of them at once if you can conceal them.

Hi VegasGeorge,
Thanks for the reply...

It is my understanding, that with the new law, effective Oct. 1st, the only arms that must be specifically listed by make model are semiauto's. ANY revolver qualification means you can carry any revolver. It is further my understanding that serial numbers wil not be required. In other words, if I qualify with (and list on my permit) a Bersa thunder .380, I can carry ANY bersa thunder .380, but if I qualify and list on my permit say a ruger special six .357 revolver, I can carry ANY revolver. I am not wondering can I get away without qualifying with the derringer, but I am wondering if I must list and carry the specific derringer, or once qualified, can I now carry ANY derringer. In other words, is a two shot tiny backup considered a semiauto or a revolver for the purpases of this rule?

If I have misunderstood or misread the new law, the question is moot, of course.. but if I am correct, can I buy a whole week's worth of derringers to match my outfits,* joking* or do I have to carry the same one every day. (please understand I know how silly that is.. and how easy it may be to dismiss a derringer at all for carry, but if my 1911 gets empty, and my lil snubby .357 gets caught in my front pocket, I sure would like something for close up and personal LAST resort in my backpocket...)

Thanks

This thread is a prime example of why everyone should verify information for themselves. While forums such as this are WONDERFUL, there are times when misinformation is present.

Our primary "bible" in this matter should be the Nevada Resised Statutes, Chapter 202; specifically NRS 202.3653 through 202.369 which is available here: www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec3653

There is NO limit to the number of firearms with which you can quality; If a sheriff is limiting the number, it is my opinion he is legislating from his position of authority.

(Quotes below taken straight from the NRS)
Demonstrates competence with revolvers, each specific semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, or revolvers and each such semiautomatic firearm, as applicable, ...

... application must include ...
The make, model and caliber of each semiautomatic firearm to which the application pertains, if any;
Whether the application pertains to revolvers;

Make, model and caliber of each authorized semiautomatic firearm, if any..........

Revolvers authorized........................................ ............ Yes.................................... No

“Revolver” means a firearm that ...
The term includes, without limitation, a single or double derringer.
So, as you can see, NO serial numbers are, nor can be, required. The Nye, Esmeralda, and Pershing County sheriffs required serial numbers in the past - BUT NO longer do so, after a few letters, telephone calls and emails were made to several legislators and the Legislative Counsel Bureau.

More recently, the Carson City sheriff attempted to require serial numbers. Again, that was halted.

I am NOT an attorney. But I fancy myself as having a reasonable command of the English language.

Discussing these issues here is a WONDERFUL thing! However, we must endeavor to obtain factual info.

Of course in Clark County, we must deal with the local ordinances that are still on the books. However, MANY of us believe those ordinances (with the exception of handgun registration) are to be null, void and unenforceable on January 1, 2008. This issue is still playing out. See my letter of December 12, 2007 in the thread here: http://carryconcealed.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102