Why is there Utah and Flordia trainers in California?

[Stubob]

It seems odd that California does not allow CCW, but has several training companies that offer training on Utah and Florida CCW classes. Any one have any ideas? :o

[shadeslanding]

The reason Utah is taught is that it enables a non-resident to legally carry a firearm in 28 states (more being added all the time). It only costs the user (aside from training), $59 paid to the state of Utah and it can be applied for through the mail.

It is good for 5 years making it a most desireable permit to have.

And California DOES allow carrying. Unfortunately you have to be pretty well connected or show a need to get a CA permit to carry. But they do not recognize any other state permits.

Regards,
Gary Shade

[FirstFlight]

California is a "maybe issue" state. It depends on the county in which one resides. About half the counties will issue. Some of these will issue for a "good cause" of only personal protection. Just like in the "shall issue" states. Others require a bit more like carrying a lot of guns and ammo to the range two or three times a week. The bottom line (per the California Penal Code) in California is that the Sheriff issues at his own discrection(sp). If he don't like the way you comb your hair you don't get one. In my county one has to be a judge, lawyer, have donated money to the sheriff's election, a movie star or own a jewelry store and transport gems and/or money late at night OR have documented proof that some one has threatened your life or someones in your family.
Thats why people in California get the Utah permits. Its all they can get and its also nice if one likes to travel to the states to the east.

[Stubob]

With Pennsylvania not honoring out of state permits from Florida but honoring the Florida CCW Permit from people living in the state, I hope that people do check the laws before they head out.

In Calif - What kind of percentage of CCW permits are approved across the state?

[FirstFlight]

I do not have that data. I wonder if anyone does. Each county sheriff marches to his/her own drummer. To get that data one would have to check the CCW files in each county sheriff's records (that is legal in California). There are 55 counties. Another problem, in many counties the Sheriff requires one apply with the local city police chief first. Usually, the way it works is one applies with the police chief in the city where one resides. That chief can refuse on his own discretion or approve and pass it on to the sheriff for his approval/denial. So, in all of those counties one would have to check through all the city police records as well. Its a mess.

Another problem. Lets say I have a California CCW. I have it for 10 years. Everything is fine and dandy. My sheriff retires and a new sheriff is elected. The new sheriff doesn't issue CCWs. A year later my CCW expires and I go to the sheriff to have it renewed. He doesn't issue. He denies it. I don't have a CCW anymore.

Another problem. I have a California CCW, I have had it for 20 years. My job requires me to move to another California county. I have another year to go before my CCW expires but California law says I must apply for a NEW CCW from scratch in the new county within 90 days. I apply. The sheriff in this new county doesn't issue CCWs. My request is denied. I don't have a CCW anymore.

California has many problems with not only CCWs but with gun laws in general. Thats why California is the only state where the NRA has a full time (paid) political represenative. The NRA and the California Rifle and Pistol Association (CRPA) have been quietly working together behind the scenes in Sacramento to straighten this mess out. Its a tough nut to crack. The anti gun legislators (Democrats) have control. The NRA and the CRPA have been slowly working on the Democrats trying to turn enough of them around to make a difference. It is working but its slow.

In this country we have 40 states that are Shall Issue. Many of those states are controlled by the Democrats. They are pro gun why shouldn't we be able to straighted the California politicos out?

California gun owners......Support the NRA and the CRPA...its our only hope. If you are not a member...JOIN! I am a Life Member of both of them.

[ccadmin]

Thank you for that posting. Great information. You state that more people need to join the NRA and the CRPA. I agree and would also like to add that people also need to take very careful aim on who they vote for in this next election. Clark.

[Raccoon]

California is a "maybe issue" state. It depends on the county in which one resides. About half the counties will issue. Some of these will issue for a "good cause" of only personal protection. Just like in the "shall issue" states. Others require a bit more like carrying a lot of guns and ammo to the range two or three times a week. The bottom line (per the California Penal Code) in California is that the Sheriff issues at his own discrection(sp). If he don't like the way you comb your hair you don't get one. In my county one has to be a judge, lawyer, have donated money to the sheriff's election, a movie star or own a jewelry store and transport gems and/or money late at night OR have documented proof that some one has threatened your life or someones in your family.
Thats why people in California get the Utah permits. Its all they can get and its also nice if one likes to travel to the states to the east.


Or you could become a reserve Police officer and get to carry anywhere if your chief will authorize it.

[CA CCWInstructor]

Over 40,000 permits are issued in ALL 58 counties. Our CA-CCW are good in 14 states. Those individuals probably travel to more than those 14. That is why they get Utah and Florida. You can travel to over 30 states and CCW.

I offer training for those two states plus California CCW's.

[Stubob]

It looks like we posted your company on our courses section as well. If you would like, post class information in the Forum Section when classes are aproaching.

Looking forward to your posts and knowlege on CA. :)

[CA CCWInstructor]

It looks like we posted your company on our courses section as well. If you would like, post class information in the Forum Section when classes are aproaching.

Looking forward to your posts and knowlege on CA. :)

Thanks for the offer on listing my classes. I'm not really here to drum up buisness, as a result I prefer not to do that.

I am here to pass on some knowledge and let people know that we really have 58 couries :D and all counties do in fact issue to some degree or another. :)

[junglebob]

There are a number of folks on a Illinois concealed carry forum (sounds like an oxymoron rightsince Illinois doesn't issue) that have non-resident carry permits, some from Utah, and Florida, also New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. I have the Pa license, good in 15 states besides Pa, not counting Alaska or Vermont where you don't need a license/permit.

Why would I have a Pa permit since I live so far from Pa? Because I can carry in the surrounding states of Missouri, Indiana, and Kentucky. It doesn't require training costs $26 for 5 years and takes about 10 days to get and can all be done by mail. It is basically a background check. You do need to have your states CCW permit if they issue, before they will issue to you however. I have to say the Centre county sheriffs department people, who issue non-resident licenses, are the nicest most helpful government workers you will find.

[packnrat]

there is a saying,

follow the money. :lol:

this is for real as the ccw are not valed in ca,
they are of no use in was, ore, nev, and arz.

lets see, the school is a bill or two right?
the state of utah ges how much now?

with this said yes i have a utah permit and live in ca.