Obama ignorant about 2nd Amendment

[Lady Di]

If you respect the 2nd Amendment, don't vote for Obama.

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=110121

[VegasGeorge]

Here are Obama's positions on gun control:

* Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
* Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

He is definately OFF my list. Every weapon I own is a semi-automatic. I find myself wondering if he even knows what a semi-automatic is.

[Bill of Rights]

Here are Obama's positions on gun control:

* Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
* Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

He is definately OFF my list. Every weapon I own is a semi-automatic. I find myself wondering if he even knows what a semi-automatic is.

You mean like Rep. McCarthy wanting to ban anything with a barrel shroud, but the @#$@% had no idea what a barrel shroud is or what it's used for?

"Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons." OK. Military and police (AND YOUR BODYGUARDS, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA)first.
"Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms"
Show me Constitutional authority to do so and then try it. Something tells me you'll be taking those weapons "bullets first".
"Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms." They already do that, courtesy of a law put in a couple of years ago. I think it may have been HR 218 that allowed it, but I'm not sure. You remember HR 218, right? That's the one the LEOs said if we helped them get, such that they can carry in all 50 states, they'd push for the same for citizen carry. And still we wait.

I am beginning to be afraid, folks. I'm afraid that a year from now, when we vote for President, the only choices on the ballot will be clearly anti- American rights, people who will be lying if they're administered the oath of office, in which they swear to preserve, protect, and defend our Constitution. If we get a Congress that is willing to uphold their oaths, it's possible that such a President could be impeached for perjury, but that just gets us a VP with the same agenda.

Think they'll be handing out complimentary tubes of K-Y Jelly at the polls? :shock:

Blessings,
M

[packnrat]

no ky at the polls.

[billythekid]

Oboma has 2 good standings in what he thinks about Gun control. 1st, the buying of a weapon is way too easy now days, that should be bumped up a little. i saw a guy walk up to the counter at a local bass pro shop pick out his gun fill out a piece of paper, they took that paper to the back and boom 10 to 20 mins later he left with a brand new gun and ammo. secondly there are alot of little kids out there that don't have a clue about gun safty and find daddies or mommies gun and think that its a new toy for them because they have never seen mommy or daddy "playing" with a gun but they have 5 or more in their toy box. safty is the biggest point when guns are involved.

BUT NO SIMI-AUTOMATICS LMAO. who carries a single action anymore this isn't the wild west.

now to vote for Oboma would just be in my worst intrest. i say no to Oboma you don't have my vote.

[VegasGeorge]

...and boom 10 to 20 mins later he left with a brand new gun and ammo.

That's the way it's supposed to work for those of us with our CCW permits. It also works that way for LEOs. And, maybe you saw someone who was coming back into the store after the 72 hour waiting period, and who had already been cleared for the purchase. I can guarantee you that Bass Pro Shop didn't just sell a handgun to someone without the benefit of a background check one way or another.

[lildobe]

...and boom 10 to 20 mins later he left with a brand new gun and ammo.

It only took me 10 minutes to purchase my Glock 22 at a gun show, and that was BEFORE I had my CCW. A quick call to the Penna State Police IBC Hotline and boom, you can walk away with the gun.

And it takes even less when you buy a long gun becasue there is no background check. Took all of 5 minutes to buy my Mossberg. Seller copied my DL, wrote down the SN of the shotgun, I handed him a wad of cash, we shook hands and I walked away with a new toy :D

[Bill of Rights]

Welcome to CarryConcealed, Billy!

I'm a little curious about your post. It sounds like you think that waiting periods are a good thing. I'm really not surprised that anyone would think that, given the bias from the mainstream media, but what they don't tell you is that the criminals don't buy their guns in gun stores, they pay cash to someone who steals the gun or otherwise obtains it also illegally, and they have no background checks, no waiting periods, no anything. Waiting periods only prevent people who obey the law from getting a tool for self-defense when they may need it most-reference the L.A. riots of a few years ago. The various Hollywood types and other liberals were suddenly worried because the police were overwhelmed, and they wanted guns to protect themselves, but the laws they'd fought for mandated (if I recall correctly) 15 day waiting periods, but they needed the guns they wanted right then.

By the way, that one paper you saw filled out was likely the ATF form 4473, which allows a background check in a very short period of time, thanks to the computer. The FBI can quickly verify that the person whose info is on the form is or is not able to buy a gun according to ATF regulations and applicable laws.

As for the issue you mentioned where the children might access Mom or Dad's new "toy", this certainly is a concern. A responsible gun owner first ensures that the gun is safely away from those who are not capable of responsible action. Most cases of which I'm aware, this means that the gun is on the adult's person unless it's in the locked safe, and yes, this means you carry while at home, making the gun instantly accessible and totally impossible for the irresponsible to obtain without the owner's knowledge. The second action after the above is to educate the children, once they're capable of understanding that "No means no. No ifs, ands, or buts." On the website, http://www.corneredcat.com , the aithor noted that her and her husband's solution was to teach the children the Eddie Eagle rules, with the addition that if the children REALLY wanted to touch the gun, they come and ask if they may, which action caused Mom to drop everything and let them do so, safely.

I'm really glad you decided to join up here and started posting. The only way to fix the awful image that the media foists upon society is education, and with the many posters here more intelligent than I am, I think that we have the solution well in hand.

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
M

[billythekid]

Thanks for the welcome, i've been on here for quite some time but i just don't like to add postes. My mom always said that " Its better to stay quiet and let people think your smart then to open your mouth and remove a doubt." thats the only reason i don't talk more on here. However the guy that i was talking about talked with me for the time that they were checking his background, this was his first gun and didn't have a carry licence, no military background and first time into bass pro. A friend of his had bought a pistol there and told him that he got a good deal there, so he was going to check it out and ended up buying a pistol that day.

Now as far as background checks go i think that if you are getting a pistol for the first time it should take a little longer for you to get one.

For us CCW people i think that it should take a magnetic strip on the lisece swipped throught the computer just to register that you are able to buy a pistol, and 10 secs. later your leaving the store with your new "toy".

On the subject of kids playing with mom or dads guns your right IF they are responsible then yes they would tell the little ones that no means no and no if's and or buts about it. However safty is the key, and some first time gun owners sometimes don't put a lock on the gun and just stick it in the top of the closet. Saying stuff like "i thought if was out of their reach" or "i didn't think that they could find it there" . These are the words of someone that is asking for trouble.

My statement is that companies that sell thier pistols should have some sort of safty system, trigger lock, or barrel lock is all.

[Bill of Rights]

Thanks for the welcome, i've been on here for quite some time but i just don't like to add postes. My mom always said that " Its better to stay quiet and let people think your smart then to open your mouth and remove a doubt." thats the only reason i don't talk more on here. However the guy that i was talking about talked with me for the time that they were checking his background, this was his first gun and didn't have a carry licence, no military background and first time into bass pro. A friend of his had bought a pistol there and told him that he got a good deal there, so he was going to check it out and ended up buying a pistol that day.

Now as far as background checks go i think that if you are getting a pistol for the first time it should take a little longer for you to get one.

For us CCW people i think that it should take a magnetic strip on the lisece swipped throught the computer just to register that you are able to buy a pistol, and 10 secs. later your leaving the store with your new "toy".

On the subject of kids playing with mom or dads guns your right IF they are responsible then yes they would tell the little ones that no means no and no if's and or buts about it. However safty is the key, and some first time gun owners sometimes don't put a lock on the gun and just stick it in the top of the closet. Saying stuff like "i thought if was out of their reach" or "i didn't think that they could find it there" . These are the words of someone that is asking for trouble.

My statement is that companies that sell thier pistols should have some sort of safty system, trigger lock, or barrel lock is all.

I saw after I posted that you'd been on here a while- I think I responded on one of the threads you responded on before, but I didn't remember it at the time. Anyway...
No, he didn't have to have a CCW nor a military background. Depending on which state you're in, they may have to call state police but without a CCW permit, they HAVE to call in a NICS check on everyone who's not a FFL dealer. This amounts to a quick phone call and a verification that he has no felony record anywhere. Put another way, we have to be "proven innocent" of such before we're "allowed" to exercise our rights. (I thought there was a principle in this country that said we are "innocent until proven guilty". By that standard, anyone could go and buy any firearm any time they wished, as often as they wished, unless the person selling it could prove them guilty of some crime forbidding it. Since it's not the duty of the salesman or store owner to investigate crimes, buying a gun should be no different from walking into the local Wal Mart and buying a large butcher knife for your kitchen or several bottles of various (cleaning) chemicals, like, say, bleach and ammonia. All three (knife, gun, chemicals) have deadly potential, and of the three, the mixture of a gallon of bleach and a gallon of ammonia has the greatest lethality, and in the wrong hands could do untold harm. In fact, that mixture is responsible for at least some injury if not death each year (I'm speaking in uncertainties only because I don't currently have the figures to back up what I know to be fact) All three have utility other than just "to kill people", though each can be used to that purpose, but no one has to have a permit to buy or even a background check to purchase any but the gun. It comes back to intent, and until we can read either people's minds or their future, we cannot in good conscience prohibit people from purchasing what they wish to purchase.

You're correct that it should take less time for CCW folks to buy, and in some places, it does. In some places, the CCW permit counts as a NICS check, and those people can walk in, fill out the 4473. show the card, plunk down the money and walk out with gun in hand. This is a problem only to the Brady Bunch, as the numbers of CCW people who are convicted of crimes of violence with their firearms is infinitesimally small even not compared to the numbers of people who are so licensed.

Criminals don't get permits or comply with any such laws. On the issue of registration (and I know you referred to registering that one is able to buy the gun, but you reminded me of this, so you get to read it, too! :)) I recall reading that the Supreme Court has held that in places where actual gun registration is required, criminals are exempt from the requirement under the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination. With this in mind, I'm sure you can see that permits, licenses, registrations, background checks, etc. serve only to limit the rights of the law-abiding and make us more helpless in the face of those who would do us harm.

Yes, some first time gun buyers do really stupid things. The same can be said of some experienced gun owners, too, who have gotten complacent or failed to account for changes in their lives (i.e. the hypothetical "had a gun in the nightstand for 20 years, but now there are grandchildren around on occasion" situation) A responsible gun owner will ensure that this is not a problem, either by locking the bedroom door, locking the drawer, moving the gun elsewhere, or the like, perhaps making it accessible again at night when they go to bed. Regardless, the responsibility for safe handling falls to the owner and the responsibility for educating the children is that of the parent. When the gun owner needs that gun, it is likely needed right now, and there is no time to fumble with keys, codes, or other locks. I'll support the idea of a gun other than a self-defense gun being kept unloaded, locked, ammo separate, etc., but requiring that for a self-defense gun is ludicrous. No, the responsibility for the children's safety lies with the parents and is found in dispelling their curiosity and setting firm, unbreakable rules with known penalties that the kids just don't want to even chance AND in placing the gun where the kids can't normally "just find it" (like on mom or dad's belt).

I strongly recommend the entire Cornered Cat website, but the articles found under "Kids and Guns" are most suited to this discussion. You can find them here: http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC.aspx#Kids

Once again, my thanks to Mrs. Kathy Jackson for making that site available.

Blessings,
M