Liberal view on gun control - When mass killers meet armed

[Stubob]

This is an interesting view from a Liberal -

When mass killers meet armed resistance

It took place at a university in Virginia. A student with a grudge, an immigrant, pulled a gun and went on a shooting spree. It wasn't Virginia Tech at all. It was the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, not far away. You can easily drive from the one school to the other, just take a trip down Route 460 through Tazewell.

It was January 16, 2002 when Peter Odighizuwa came to campus. He had been suspended due to failing grades. Odighizuwa was angry and waving a gun calling on students to "come get me". The students, seeing the gun, ran. A shooting spree started almost immediately. In seconds Odighizuwa had killed the school dean, a professor and one student. Three other students were shot as well, one in the chest, one in the stomach and one in the throat.

Many students heard the shots. Two who did were Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges. Mikael was outside the school having just returned to campus from lunch when he heard the shots. Tracy was inside attending class. Both immediately ran to their cars. Each had a handgun locked in the vehicle.

Bridges pulled a .357 Magnum pistol and he later said he was prepared to shoot to kill if necessary. He and Gross both approached Odighizuwa at the same time from different directions. Both were pointing their weapons at him. Bridges yelled for Odighizuwa to drop his weapon. When the shooter realized they had the drop on him he threw his weapon down. A third student, unarmed, Ted Besen, approached the killer and was physically attacked.

Read the rest of the story -

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/killers.html

[Dave]

I'll probably wear out my welcome around here...this is my third (or fourth) post tonight, and it's my first night on.

But here goes....THANK GOD! Someone else out there gets it. Liberals are NOT the enemy. If you think about what the word actually means, a liberal would never infringe on any of our rights, especially where arming ourselves is concerned. Liberal has the same root as Liberty. And that's what I believe in.

I consider myself a liberal and it just pisses me off that it's gotta be so difficult/expensive to get a class 3 license, not to mention the prohibitve prices of the rare beasts.

Used to be in this country (granted, it's been quite a few years ago) you could just go down to the hardware store and get yourself a Thompson.

[VegasGeorge]

It's pretty hard to put labels like "liberal" or "conservative" on regular people. Most of us are a mix of one sort or another. But, it's pretty easy to see which politicians line up under the different banners. Then, it's pretty easy to see which group of politicians are 2nd Amendment supporters, and which are anti gun.

Frankly, I find the anti gun crowd very scary. The 2nd Amendment issue is not a difference in "interpretation," it's not a matter over which "reasonable" men may differ, and it's not a question of opinion. The 2nd Amendment is written in plain, simple English. It's meaning is readily apparent to all. And, anyone who claims otherwise is being disingenuous. These politicians who stand under the liberal banner are willing to throw our precious Constitution away piecemeal just to satisfy their personal feelings and prejudice about firearms. That's unacceptable. Everyone who understands what liberty means, what "liberal" means, should be horrified by their actions. We must stand by our Constitution. If we start picking and choosing which provisions we will support, and which we won't, the Constitution will fall, and totalitarian rule will quickly follow.

[Bill of Rights]

Hi Dave, and welcome! The catch is that "liberal" is how they define themselves, and indeed, they will happily encroach upon anyone's rights as often as possible, unless we're speaking of someone who is anti-America, who is pro-amnesty for illegal trespassing "immigrants", or who wishes to use drugs.
The ACLU, a very "liberal" organization, has out a video teaching people how to not consent to searches, and in part of it, they show that in that specific case, the searching officer will find drugs and drug paraphernalia. When the kids refuse to consent to a search, they're portrayed as "winning" over the bad, mean cop.

Anyone want to bet what kind of film the ACLU would make if the kids had a gun in the car and had forgotten their duly and lawfully issued CCW permits at home?

Blessings,
M

[Bill of Rights]

I'll probably wear out my welcome around here...this is my third (or fourth) post tonight, and it's my first night on.

But here goes....THANK GOD! Someone else out there gets it. Liberals are NOT the enemy. If you think about what the word actually means, a liberal would never infringe on any of our rights, especially where arming ourselves is concerned. Liberal has the same root as Liberty. And that's what I believe in.

I consider myself a liberal and it just pisses me off that it's gotta be so difficult/expensive to get a class 3 license, not to mention the prohibitve prices of the rare beasts.

Used to be in this country (granted, it's been quite a few years ago) you could just go down to the hardware store and get yourself a Thompson.

Dave, one more thing: I may be off base here, because there are some liberals who do agree with the RKBA, but from what I'm seeing you writing, I think what you may be trying to say is that you are a "libertarian" (lower case intentional, to differentiate from the political party of the same name)

A quick quiz I found a while back may help define the difference. I'm sure you know it, but for those out there lurking who might not, have a look at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html .

Have a great day!

Blessings,
M

[Raccoon]

What an article. I always wanted to get some stickers that I could put on the front doors of the stores that have the pistol with the circle and slash over it. I wanted the sticker to say, "Dear badguy, all law abiding citizens have been diarmed for your robbing pleasure, enjoy."

I think this was addressed in the article. I have never once ever heard of a badguy that stopped an assault because there was a no guns allowed sign on the door. In fact, I have heard rumors that stores are scared that they might be sued if a valid CCW citizen gets shot while in the store by a badguy.

Dont know if this has ever happened, but I think the lawsuit was be justified as a failure to protect when the state authorizes someone to carry concealed. . . .

[DangerousDave]

The problem is the context in which the term "liberal" is used in modern politics. It was once used to refer to people who were against government interference in peoples' lives and economics. That was a very long time ago. A "classical liberal" is what is now referred to as a libertarian. The term "liberal" was co-opted by progressives when people grew tired of the progressive agenda. Progressive is really just a nice way to say "socialist" because if someone has proposed a socialist agenda back during the Wilson administration and pushed things like a "progressive" income tax which promotes anything but progress, they would have been voted out in a hurry.