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CA CCWInstructor
11-20-2007, 01:43 PM
Court agrees to rule on gun case
Tuesday, November 20th, 2007 1:02 pm | Lyle Denniston | Comment (1) | Print This Post
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After a hiatus of 68 years, the Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to rule on the meaning of the Second Amendment — the hotly contested part of the Constitution that guarantees “a right to keep and bear arms.” Not since 1939 has the Court heard a case directly testing the Amendment’s scope — and there is a debate about whether it actually decided anything in that earlier ruling. In a sense, the Court may well be writing on a clean slate if, in the end, it decides the ultimate question: does the Second Amendment guarantee an individual right to have a gun for private use, or does it only guarantee a collective right to have guns in an organized military force such as a state National Guard unit?

The city of Washington’s appeal (District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290) is expected to be heard in March — slightly more than a year after the D.C. Circuit Court ruled that the right is a personal one, at least to have a gun for self-defense in one’s own home.

The Justices chose to write out for themselves the question they will undertake to answer. Both sides had urged the Court to hear the city’s case, but they had disagreed over how to frame the Second Amendment issue.

Here is the way the Court phrased the granted issue:

“Whether the following provisions — D.C. Code secs. 7-2502.02(a)(4), 22-4504(a), and 7-2507.02 — violate the Second Amendment rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any state-regulated militia, but who wish to keep handguns and other firearms for private use in their homes?”

The first listed section bars registration of pistols if not registered before Sept. 24, 1976; the second bars carrying an unlicensed pistol, and the third requires that any gun kept at home must be unloaded and disassembled or bound by a lock, such as one that prevents the trigger from operating.

Bill of Rights
11-20-2007, 06:15 PM
I note that the Court was very careful to not address the issue of CCW, but specifically keeping and bearing in private homes. This will affect nothing in most places, save defining the RKBA as the Founders did, if it goes our way, and destroying our ability to exercise that right if the Brady Bunch has their way. I think we can count on Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia to adjudicate correctly, and that's half the battle-almost. Souter, Ginsburg, Stevens, Breyer, and Kennedy, however...

Breyer and Ginsburg are the only Clinton nominees, Stevens came to the court from Pres. Ford. All the others are either Reagan nominees (Scalia & Kennedy), Bush (Thomas & Souter), or W (Alito & Roberts)

If we're making predictions, mine is that the provision about no guns in the District that are not registered will be overturned. The provision about carrying an "unlicensed" pistol (that in itself being a frightening concept) could go either way, and I'm afraid they'll support the requirement that the guns be locked (but possibly not "disassembled"). I hope and pray I'm mistaken and that they simply rule that laws attempting to regulate what the Constitution says shall not be infringed are therefore repugnant to the Constitution and are therefore null and void. Sadly, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Stevens are the four who dissented in the overturning of the federal Gun Free School Zone Act, so this may well come down to the gun rights of an entire nation hinging on one man, Justice Anthony Kennedy. I hope and pray he's up to the challenge ahead of him.

Blessings,
M

Stubob
11-20-2007, 07:38 PM
This thread is the best summary I have seen on the case. We will be watching!

VegasGeorge
11-20-2007, 07:50 PM
I'm nervous about this case. But, I'm not going to jump into a discussion about it until I've read the briefs.

CA CCWInstructor
11-21-2007, 12:43 PM
I note that the Court was very careful to not address the issue of CCW, but specifically keeping and bearing in private homes.

Very True! Most people are reading WAY to much into this case. It MAY lay the ground work for anoter case down the road.

Stubob
11-24-2007, 10:16 AM
Even if the Supreme Court rules that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the average citizen and only to the militia, then I can see the states putting in laws that would make any CCW Permit holder a member of the militia.

It is going to be fun any way it goes. If the states create a "Militia" I will join.

junglebob
11-24-2007, 09:52 PM
I imagine the antis in Chicago are worried about this. Chicago hasn't registered handguns for a long time now, making them illegal since they require registration of firearms. The suburbs with handgun ban ordinances wouldn't be able to enforce them anymore.

I wish the case did address CCW permits, seems carry should be part of "bearing arms".