Are there good gun transportation laws in your state?

[junglebob]

This isn't exactly a question about concealed carry, but this seemed to be the best forum. I'm wondering about states that allow transporting loaded handguns in the vehicle glove box or console, without a permit. I was thinking this would be good to know for traveling in states that don't recognize my Pa permit or the permit of forum members home state. I know that Kentucky allows transport in glovebox but not console. Hpj3 mentioned his state of South Carolina allows it. Any states out there like Illinois that allow an unloaded handgun in a case in the passenger compartment, along with a loaded magazine (unfortunately not allowed for non-Illinoisans without FOID card)? I know some states would consider that a loaded handgun. I realize there may be other states like Illinois where if you ask 10 LEOs what the law says on transportation you'll get 11 answers because one will change his answer halfway through. So maybe the source of your info would be good as well. I got my Illinois info from the Illinois State Police website and the state statutes. If your state allows unlicensed open carry what is the definiton for open carry in a vehicle?

[pioneer461]

A good place to get info like this is on the internet at; http://www.gunlaws.com/links/index.htm

Many states consider a gun concealed and loaded in the glove box, to be a concealed firearm.

I would never advise anyone to break the law. In order for any of these kinds of laws to be enforced, you would have to do something to cause an officer to stop you and search your car. Never give consent to search.

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[junglebob]

Pioneer461, You are right of course about many states considering a handgun in the glove box concealed. Thanks for the link to gunlaws.com unfortunately there is too much information to wade through to find what is needed. I went there and clicked on Kentucky for information there is a link to KRS chapter 237.110 Kentucky firearms statutes there are 28 chapters listed, not counting statutes on shooting ranges. I wanted to know specifically about glove compartment carry, which I know is legal without a permit. I went to the Kentucky State Police website at kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm#faq This is frequently asked questions under the concealed deadly weapons section of the main website. There is a question about carrying a loaded handgun in your vehicles glove box and it quotes KRS527.020 which I guess is somewhere under the other Kentucky Statutes on gunlaws.com there are 645 chapters of statutes listed.

KRS527.20 Says - A deadly weapon shall not be deamed concealed on or about the person if it is located in the glove compartment, regularly installed by its manufacturer regardless of whether said compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism.

That is the kind of info I like, tells me flat out the statute. Toss the loaded handgun in the glove compartment and close the door and you're legal.

I noticed they had a nice list of the states and it tells you if your Kentucky CCW license is recognized or not.

Does the book they offer on gunlaws.com have this type of info?

[45Fan]

In Missouri if you are 21 years old you can car carry. Loaded and concealed in you car is perfectly legal. We think, the way the law is written that you could carry in a holster in your car, but would be in trouble if you left the car. That has not been tested to my knowledge.

Our law used to be a mess as far as transporting handguns, but that changed at the same time when we got CCW.

So now if you hold a valid CCW permit from ANY state you can carry in MO and if you dont you can carry in your car. Also, if you are going in to a place that you cant carry, you can legally have it in your car.

So pack up and come visit Missouri! :wink:

[junglebob]

[quote="45Fan"]In Missouri if you are 21 years old you can car carry. Loaded and concealed in you car is perfectly legal. We think, the way the law is written that you could carry in a holster in your car, but would be in trouble if you left the car. That has not been tested to my knowledge.

Our law used to be a mess as far as transporting handguns, but that changed at the same time when we got CCW.

So now if you hold a valid CCW permit from ANY state you can carry in MO and if you dont you can carry in your car. Also, if you are going in to a place that you cant carry, you can legally have it in your car.

So pack up and come visit Missouri! :wink:[/quote
45Fan, Thanks for the info. I pack when visiting Missouri as I have a Pa license. Good to know about the car carry if my wife should be traveling alone to St. Louis or friends without a permit. This is the kind of info I was hoping would be posted. Is this info posted on the Missouri State Police website or Attorney General site?

[45Fan]

HOUSE BILL NOS. 349, 120,

136 & 328

92ND GENERAL ASSEMBLY



3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon [business] premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event.

[45Fan]

This is from where I had our CCW law saved. I understand your wanting to see it online, you dont know me from Adam (I would be the same). I will find a link and post it for you.

BE ADVISED!

The Loo as I like to call it is NOT a CCW friendly area (or anything else Conservative for that matter). I would not be afraid to carry there (I have) but I would be prepared for a possible hassle if I encountered any law enforcement there. Having said that I am sure that most of them are fine with CCW but, there bosses are not. Just a friendly warning. You could visit Missouricarry.com and here the same thing from about everyone in MO.

Infact one of the main reasons that you can carry in MO with ANY permit (even if you dont reside in that State) was because of St. Loo and KC. It was known that those areas would drag there feet in issuing permits and this way residents could get a FL permit and bypass them. :twisted:

Our guys thought of everything (almost).
Sorry for the long post...I will get that link for you.

[45Fan]

http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/billpdf/perf/HB0349P.PDF
Here is the bill....



http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000030.htm
And the Law...

I hope that last post didnt sound strange, it is just a known fact that they are not as proud of our CCW law as the rest of the State. :wink:

[junglebob]

This is from where I had our CCW law saved. I understand your wanting to see it online, you dont know me from Adam (I would be the same). I will find a link and post it for you.

BE ADVISED!

The Loo as I like to call it is NOT a CCW friendly area (or anything else Conservative for that matter). I would not be afraid to carry there (I have) but I would be prepared for a possible hassle if I encountered any law enforcement there. Having said that I am sure that most of them are fine with CCW but, there bosses are not. Just a friendly warning. You could visit Missouricarry.com and here the same thing from about everyone in MO.

Infact one of the main reasons that you can carry in MO with ANY permit (even if you dont reside in that State) was because of St. Loo and KC. It was known that those areas would drag there feet in issuing permits and this way residents could get a FL permit and bypass them. :twisted:

Our guys thought of everything (almost).
Sorry for the long post...I will get that link for you.

Your post doesn't about St.Louis doesn't sound strange at all to me. I followed the news on Missouri getting concealed carry. I realize that St. Louis was pulled kicking and screaming into the 21st century when shall issue concealed carry was passed. I know that the St. Louis county sheriff dragged his feet as long as possible before issuing permits. Not much of a surprise there, I've read some CCW legislation history. When Illinois passes concealed carry we'll get the same reaction from Chicago and its suburbs. Morton Grove Illinois officials will probably all need a change of underwear. Even Indiana had problems when they initially passed carry legislation.

I find your caution about cops and carry in St. Louis interesting. On an Illinois forum someone challenged me to "fanny pack transport" (unloaded handgun, with loaded mag in pack) in Chicago since I told him it was legal in Illinois and I didn't know of anyone convicted of Unlawful Use of Weapons doing it. He said he'd like me to walk down the sidewalk and tell the first LEO I meet that I have an unloaded handgun and a mag of ammo in my pack, and see what happens. He said if I wasn't arrested he'd pay for my gas there and back. I told him I had no desire to become a "poster child for "fanny pack transport" or more commonly called "fanny pack carry". BTW this is only legal with an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card.

[45Fan]

I understand your comment about the Loo, when I reread it I sounded a little paranoid to me to. :)

I am not at all, I have never been "made" or pulled over since I got my CCW permit and I sure would not go asking to show it to a cop. :? There were just a lot of bad statements in that area by Sheriffs and Police Chiefs.

I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the attitude that you might encounter in the unlikely event you were pulled over for speeding.

[QNman]

Hey 45fan... sorry to drift off topic, but I am in the St. Louis area... where are you?

[liquibyte]

790.25 Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.--
...
(5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.--Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012.
This would not be useful to anyone in a search unless I provide a valid link:


You'll have to copy and paste this as one long string as I've found the forum does not wrap long lines that are unbroken and I prefer not to post in a way that you have to scroll horizontally.

http://flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC25.HTM
&Title=-%3E2007-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%2025#0790.25

[liquibyte]

Your post doesn't about St.Louis doesn't sound strange at all to me. I followed the news on Missouri getting concealed carry. I realize that St. Louis was pulled kicking and screaming into the 21st century when shall issue concealed carry was passed. I know that the St. Louis county sheriff dragged his feet as long as possible before issuing permits. Not much of a surprise there, I've read some CCW legislation history. When Illinois passes concealed carry we'll get the same reaction from Chicago and its suburbs. Morton Grove Illinois officials will probably all need a change of underwear. Even Indiana had problems when they initially passed carry legislation.

I find your caution about cops and carry in St. Louis interesting. On an Illinois forum someone challenged me to "fanny pack transport" (unloaded handgun, with loaded mag in pack) in Chicago since I told him it was legal in Illinois and I didn't know of anyone convicted of Unlawful Use of Weapons doing it. He said he'd like me to walk down the sidewalk and tell the first LEO I meet that I have an unloaded handgun and a mag of ammo in my pack, and see what happens. He said if I wasn't arrested he'd pay for my gas there and back. I told him I had no desire to become a "poster child for "fanny pack transport" or more commonly called "fanny pack carry". BTW this is only legal with an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card.

I will relate a story to you directly from the "LOO" and Greyhound. I won't go into details as to why I was there but suffice to say that this is personal experience and that it involves Prime and "why". I had to go to "orientation" at Prime (a trucking company) for an orientation, therefore the where and why. On my way back out after a very bad experience (don't get me started) I had a layover in St. Louis. Up to the point that the security guard there asked me for my ticket and reason for being there I had been extremely uncomfortable due to the fact that I had been hovered around by no less than 10, yes 10 people asking me and/or inferring buying drugs. When this individual asked me for proof of the fact that I should be there I was, needless to say, annoyed. No one had asked any of these people that were peddling whether or not they should be there or not. I was fairly unconcerned as I had a large suitcase with me and I'm fairly sure that it would be obvious that I was travelling, so I blew him off as another heckler even though I knew he worked there because of the uniform. What I got back was a death threat. Basically, "you will do what I say, people dissapear from here". Now I know why it's referred to as the "LOO'.

[Bill of Rights]

Hi Liquibyte,

You posted a couple of places about using long URLs and not wanting people to have to scroll horizontally. I appreciate that, but I also wanted to give you (and everyone else) this idea:

Click here (http://flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC25.HTM&Title=-%3E2007-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%2025#0790.25).

Which yields: Click here (http://flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC25.HTM&Title=-%3E2007-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%2025#0790.25).

This might help. Have a great day. :)

Blessings,
B

[Stubob]

I was playing with liquibyte's post on the long url and was copying to practice and may have messsed it up a little. sorry about that. I had saved a copy on the side so I could have replaced it - but goofed.


No intentional deleting - I was trying to help with the long URL -

[tattedupboy]

The states that allow unlicensed carry of a LOADED handgun in some form are:

Alaska (anywhere in the vehicle, on or off the person)
Arizona (only in the open, and only if it is in a holster)
Colorado (outside of Denver,anywhere in the vehicle, on or off the person)
Florida (glovebox, console, or any other case or container that has to be opened or unfastened)
Georgia (glovebox, console, or in plain sight)
Idaho (out in the open)
Kentucky (in the glovebox or out in the open)
Louisiana (anywhere in the vehicle on or off the person)
Mississippi (anywhere in the vehicle on or off the person)
Missouri (anywhere in the vehicle, off the person)
Montana (anywhere in the vehicle, off the person)
Nevada (outside of Boulder City and North Las Vegas, anywhere in the vehicle, on or off the person)
New Mexico (Anywhere in the vehicle, on or off the person)
North Carolina (only out in the open)
South Carolina (in the glovebox or console)
South Dakota (out in the open)
Texas (must be concealed)
Vermont (anywhere in the vehicle, on or off the person)
Virginia (only out in the open)
West Virginia (only out in the open)
Wyoming (anywhere in the vehicle, on or off the person)

[45Fan]

Nice post! Thanks Tatman!