Text Books can be used as bullet proof shields.

[Stubob]

There are many things that we need to teach our kids but what to do when a shooter enters a school is something that we need to talk about before it happens.

The You Tube video is not professionally done, but has some great points. Textbooks can stop .45 caliber bullets. Your kids’ backpacks should be used as shields.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTxMdZimgKw

[Genghis77]

Just make sure the book is thick enough to actually stop the bullet. Too thin and you will be struck by expanded mushroomed lead.

Realistically, not much good unless in back of a stack of books. A lot of presumption using a book to block a shot. I don't think it really possible to figure where the adversary is aiming. And if I hold the book up to block, he will probably just aim elsewhere.

In Nam guys used to sit on their helmets to protect their gonads on helicopters. Seemed they feared shrapnal there than head.

[VegasGeorge]

May I interest you in the latest fashion in back to school body armor? :roll:

[Bill of Rights]

Why people in this country cannot see the wisdom of allowing adults with LTCs to carry in schools or even having weapons available for school staff who know how to use them is beyond me. We have required first aid kits and required fire extinguishers and sprinklers and required teachers to know CPR, but while we require that those to whom we entrust our children's lives be able to deal appropriately with fire emergencies and medical emergencies until the professionals arrive, we require also that they NOT be equipped to respond to a crime emergency at all.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?, over.

Blessings,
M

[Genghis77]

Body armor works but it's expensive. And in many states it is illegal. In Viet Nam I wore the 60 pounds of body armor. When I got shot in the chest, great shot. Seems he missed the body armor completely and the bullet passed through the side openings. Guess chinching it up tighter might have given me more protection. But those were more to protect against shrapnel than a rifle bullet. And at 110+ degrees with 100% humidity most wouldn't wear them. Carlos Hathcock preferred head shots. Kept unwanted things from getting in the way.

[nodaywithout]

Well then. I wish i would have known that when i was in school

[packnrat]

another reason to carry the ladys bag of books while walking her to another class. :wink:

[Tanzer]

Why people in this country cannot see the wisdom of allowing adults with LTCs to carry in schools or even having weapons available for school staff who know how to use them is beyond me.
And it's almost beyond me, except that I'm a teacher. If my department allowed it, there'd be one volunteer, ME! My kid in high school keeps quiet, but tells how absolutely disgusted he is with teacher's attitudes.
He shoots in Junior Rifle League (Nationally ranked - so is my daughter). They can't wear their team shirts because it shows a sillohuette of a shooter in kneeling position - no Gangstas holding a Glock sideways or anything, but it reads "RI Junior Rifle League. Well, that's how the word stands out.
Funny, but football, soccer, basketball, even volleyball players walk around with injuries, even go to the hospital. How many rifle league injuries??? ZERO! Hmmmmm.....
Wanna know what I'm supposed to do if there's a shooter in the building??? Put the kids in the closet!!!! Great! Now the shooter has them all in a row! I will not say what modifications I have made, but let's just say that if he comes through the door, he's in for a surprise.
That's IF I'm still alive, because I need to go into the hallway to lock the door, which is half glass anyway. It's a sinfully inept system, but it makes people feel better.
I'm wondering about a sort of chain mesh lining to backpacks - better than nothing.

[Bill of Rights]

... That's IF I'm still alive, because I need to go into the hallway to lock the door, which is half glass anyway. It's a sinfully inept system, but it makes people feel better.
I'm wondering about a sort of chain mesh lining to backpacks - better than nothing.

Could you attach a short length of rope to your inside door handle so you could close the door without painting a target on yourself?

As for the backpacks... Consider kevlar. It's lighter and more useful, unless you're trying to stop knives and swords.

Blessings,
B

[tuna]

Wouldn't it make more sense if the kids THREW the book at the BG? (No pun on the "throw the book at 'em" comment meant)

If I remember correctly, a textbook is a fairly large object with hard covers. If it stays closed, could (COULD mind you) really hurt the BG. If it opens in flight, it would be a large distraction to anyone's aim. And if EVERYONE in the room threw their books, then the desks, it would certainly convince the BG to find another room.

Not the best idea, I know, but Gen Patton himself said that a good plan now, is better than a perfect plan tomorrow. We've already seen how hiding under the desks does not work, maybe some violence of action directed at the shooter will work.


Hey, I'm all for teachers carrying - but that will take time, this is something you can teach your kids NOW.

[Tanzer]

Could you attach a short length of rope to your inside door handle so you could close the door without painting a target on yourself?

As for the backpacks... Consider kevlar. It's lighter and more useful, unless you're trying to stop knives and swords.
I need to lock the door with a key in my desk, so I need to go outside the door to do it. Unfortunately, imagine the image the anti-type teachers would paint of me if I made a system to avoid this. They like to be like ostriches...It won't happen, It won't happen....
As for the backpacks, It would be more like a marketing thing I should patent before someone beats me to it. I doubt a letter to parents suggesting kevlar/chain mesh backpacks would be well received.
Tuna,
I've heard that in some states (Texas?) they're training kids to attack all at once.
I've been asked in a PM to suggest what steps I've taken. Sorry, can't do that, but;
HYPOTHETICALLY, that extra desk next to the door that I put the lunch count on could have a loose screw on one leg that a strong hand could take out quickly. And doggone it, somehow that thing got filled with filter sand, and I accidentally seem to spill water into the little hole from time to time keeping it quite heavy. Somehow, that desk must have gotten dropped, because if someone were to stick a screwdriver like the one in my all-in-one tool into a crack and twist, a "Shank"-like piece would break off. I tried repairing it with tape, but only managed to wrap one end. Hey, come to think of it, that would guard against splinters. I do hang decorations off that desk, so there's a screw-eye into it. Home Depot was out of small ones, so I used a big one that probably would stop this 12" shank-like object from falling through a belt loop while I was busy doing other things. I'll have to remember that.
The kids kept loosing the bathroom passes, so I got some 3" wide 1/4" thick iron strapping and painted them pink and blue, with "boys' and "girls" painted on them. Gee, they look a lot like the wooden ones other teachers use, but to keep them from getting lost, I made them 16" long, that way we know where they are.
Did you know a tennis ball could be injected with fiberglass resin? That's not used at recess, it's part of a display. Also, kids always ask why I have the largest stapler they've ever seen. Got it at an antique shop.
Hypothetically, I could find more opportunities, but electricians would understand why I don't want to talk about a socket attached to our 12 volt car battery for my occasional science demo, two 6' lengths of 12 GA wire, alligator clips and aluminum flashing tape that really sticks well across a doorway and to clothing (thanks Sarge). No one ever looks in the "extra help needed" drawer, and who cares about wire??
Don't forget, they do "mock" drills, and fire/police come and check your door to see if it's locked. I'd be in deep sh*t if I over-reacted. I'm talking about hearing shots fired. It's not like I'm a nut or something, At least I don't think..... I couldn't live with seeing a kid get hurt.
Rumor has it teachers in other districts know these things too. I wonder....

[Sandhiller]

We've already seen how hiding under the desks does not work, maybe some violence of action directed at the shooter will work.


I'm all in favor of "some violence of action directed at the shooter." But I would prefer 230-grain HPs.

[Tanzer]

I'm all in favor of "some violence of action directed at the shooter." But I would prefer 230-grain HPs.
No argument here, let me know when you get the bill passed. :lol:

[VegasGeorge]

Somebody should take a few school books out to the range and see just how effective they are in stopping bullets. I bet the chemistry texts would stop more bullets than, say, the home ec books. :lol:

[Bill of Rights]

Somebody should take a few school books out to the range and see just how effective they are in stopping bullets. I bet the chemistry texts would stop more bullets than, say, the home ec books. :lol:

Hard science vs. "fluff", George? :lol:

Blessings,
B

[Tanzer]

Somebody should take a few school books out to the range and see just how effective they are in stopping bullets.
I'm busy for a few days now, I'll try to remember. I've got tons of old books. Keep in mind, after shots are fired, it's going to be waaaaay different from a drill. Kids aren't dumb, they know a drill. A real situatoin would be different. I doubt they'd even hear you telling them to hold a book. You'd have to train them, and that means getting permission, and THAT means telling the top brass their system sucks. Then of course, the psycho would promise to leave them alone if they put the books down. College/High School kids could benefit though.

[magnum]

Saying that this video is not professional is an understatement. I think we need to get kids AWAY from these guys.

Did anybody other than me notice the vast amount of firearms rules broke during this filming? I think I jumped out of my chair onto the floor about 3 times myself. :roll: