Police Raid Wrong House

[VegasGeorge]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317398,00.html

I would have reacted just like Mr. Khang did in these circumstances. In fact, I've wondered just how things would turn out if the police came busting into my house in the middle of the night. I'm sure I'd never hear them yell "Police" (like they're supposed to) before busting in.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how to handle this situation?

[VegasGeorge]

Check out this map and notice all the swat raids on the wrong house, innocent person killed, non-violent offender killed, etc. It makes you wonder what kind of controls your local police have to prevent this kind of thing from happening. Doesn't it?

http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

[Bill of Rights]

Does anyone have any suggestions about how to handle this situation?

Outlaw (or relegate to secondary option) the "no-knock warrant" might be a good start.

The worst part about this is that the criminals are now using dynamic entries and shouts of "POLICE! GET ON THE FLOOR!" as they come in, and by the time the homeowner realizes it's a home invasion, it's far too late to do anything about it.

It seems to me that if you have enough officers to do a dynamic entry, you have enough to cover entries and exits and approach the door civilly. The honest citizen will come out and talk with you. The others... well.. that's why the "overwhelming force" option is still there. Hell, they have those little robots-have one of those go knock on doors. I know they're expensive, but with the money saved by not paying wrongful death claims, the robot might even represent a cost savings.

Any of our LEO members want to comment? The idea here is to keep the people, LEO and non-LEO alike, alive at the end of the day.

Blessings,
B

[EBDPA]

As tragic as the story is, and the staggering frequency of its occurence.. I would like to highlight another detail.

Even highly trained swat members, under a heightened stressful encuonter such as a home entry, tend to exibit the 50% rule.

22 shots fired by LEO's with no hits. It appears that the house is riddled with holes in the walls.

I would guarantee that his team trains regularly, and probably with good accuracy on the range and in their scenarios. Yet, under stress, 22 rounds went astray. What does that say to us as CCW holders? Remember the 50% rule... you will only shoot 50% as well as your worst day of training on the range when under a high stress environment.

Keep training and remember, you own every bullet that leaves your gun...

[DAN]

EBDPA, 50 % is very high for most people including Swat Teams. Why? Do to the type of training they do. Number of shots fired is an excellent indicator of how effective the training is. 22 shots fired at the range will probably be 22 shots on the target. That is 0%for these trained professionals.

Shoot at a familiar range with familiar people and try and out score the rest of the team. I see this type of training all over the world for high risk organizations and they will not improve much if at all after they reach a certain level. In training this is called a sustainment level and is really difficult to improve on unless you get people out of the self imposed comfort zone..

Someone will only be able to increase this performance if they can recreate a high stress situation in training. High stress is not a timer and everyone yelling at you. It is when you can instill fear. Fear of not performing, fear of not doing something right or the fear of a totally unfamiliar situation. This is fairly easy to accomplish for the new CCW person but really difficult for the seasoned professional.

This has always been the challenge of training with high risk organizations. If you train under stress then you can build a level of stress immunity which will allow you to draw on training memories instilled deep in your subconcious. This is called recognized primed decision making (RPD) and it can be developed in the right training enviornment. The challenge is creating a training situation that can stress the 20 year expert in his field. A real challenge.

DAN

[nodaywithout]

i can not blame the home owner, i may have done the same thing in the same situation, however seeing how my landlord is a well known leo in this area, i do not think something like that would be done to this home.

It is rediculous how many events happened on that map

[Onree]

I'm VERY happy to see only one spot on that map anywhere near my house!! Makes me very happy that I introduce myself to all the LEO's in my area and ensure they know they're always welcome in my home. Heck, I have traffic cops knocking on my door to get some bottled water from time to time. I think that's awesome! :lol: