MS-13 vandals deface Vietnam memorial

[Lady Di]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59466

[Bill of Rights]

Cogito, ergo porto.

Slime that would disrespect our fallen, whether it's people claiming to be MS 13 or the Westboro Baptist Church of Kansas (please don't look them up- all you'll do is encourage them) who protest at the funerals of our fallen soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines with signs like "Thank God for dead soldiers" deserve nothing more nor less than [excessive phrasing deleted by author].

As for the disrespected fallen, may God have mercy on them, and our citizens naught for them but the respect they have earned.

Blessings,
B

(Edit: I deleted the reactionary comment on reflection and after another member of the moderating team suggested I re-think my phrasing. He was correct, and I was not. I regret any incorrect impression I may have left of our community. B)

[VegasGeorge]

As long as there are no (real, serious, and frightening) consequences for bad behavior, this is the kind of thing we should expect to see. At least Texas is executing their convicted killers. And, if you don't think there's a connection between graffiti vandals and killers, think again.

[Bill of Rights]

While I don't in the slightest doubt the truth of what you're saying, George, I would like to have something to document the link to which you refer. Is there anything you have to that effect?

Blessings,
B

[Lady Di]

I recently watched a special on the History Channel re: these particular gangs and it's absolutely true, BOR. I was shocked when I saw brutal images of murder victims of these gangs. The motivation for these types of murders varied, but sometimes it was for nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Our country has a serious problem with gang activity from illegal aliens because our immigration laws have been ignored for decades. This is the result of political correctness run amok.

[Bill of Rights]

No doubt about it, Lady Di. However, much like I use the info from http://www.gunfacts.info when I need to cite something, due to the fact that Mr. Smith uses impartial sources to show the facts he shows, and that if the data supports a less-than positive viewpoint for gun rights, he shows that, too. I was wondering if there was a graph, table, or report from some reputable and authoritative source such as the FBI or DOJ somewhere that showed, for example, how many murderers were also "taggers".

Happy New Year, everyone!

Cogito, ergo porto.

Blessings,
B

[DAN]

Bill of Rights, I understand your fustration with the laws on protesting but
This is The United States Of America.
DAN

[Lady Di]

I know BOR well enough to know that he was engaging in a little hyperbole for the purpose of expressing his outrage over the extreme disrespect shown toward our military. His comments weren't to be taken literally in this instance, but since I know him personally I could discern this whereas some of you might not have been able to.

[Bill of Rights]

You raise a good point, Dan, and you're correct. Mea culpa. Just for holding a sign, no, no one deserves that. I would question, however, how close their action comes to "giving aid and comfort to the enemy", the definition of treason. For that crime, if a conviction was obtained, would you agree with me?

Blessings,
B

[Novel idea]

I disagree whole heartedly. If such things were cause for a conviction of treason, than America would be quite an opressive nation.

[DAN]

Bill of Rights, from my perspective, protesting the war and other stupid decisions people make here like burning the flag, does not directly aid the enemy. It may not further the cause but I do not considered it treason. If it was treason then 60% of the people voted into office would be guilty do to activities protesting Viet Nam. Protesting is not treason.

Now as far as MS-13, they are terrorist plain and simple! Along with the Russian Mafia and any number of other organizations here in the US. But they are not treated as terrorist.
DAN

[Bill of Rights]

I did refer to those "protests" (what are they protesting by disrespecting the very soldiers whose efforts protect their right to walk with a sign?) initially by saying, "Slime that would disrespect our fallen... deserve nothing more nor less than two rounds in the chest and another between the eyes."

Granted, the phrasing was excessive. Too, there is a difference between a statement made online and an action carried out. Someone marching like this would anger me, yes, but unless they posed an immediate, direct, and personal threat of life or limb, no, my pistol is not the solution to the problem. Of course, I cannot say that I would be quick to jump to their defense if, say, the Freedom Riders were to take offense at their actions.

"Gosh, officer, they were all the way across over there and it all happened so fast... No, I don't think there's anything I can say that would aid your case, sorry."

I'd likely have to omit the last word of that. It is, after all, a crime to lie to a police officer, and in all honesty, I'd not be a bit sorry if the above was the case.

Nonetheless, I do offer my sincere apology if my above remarks in frustration with the defacing of a monument to our brave fallen painted an unflattering or harmful picture of our community.

Blessings,
B

[VegasGeorge]

This whole right to protest issue is spinning out of control. Yes, of course, in our free society everyone should have the right to protest. But, that right shouldn't extend to violence, or destruction of property, or interference with the lawful activities of others. Protesters have the right to make their grievances heard and known. But, they need to do so at their own expense, not at the expense of others. If they want TV time, they should either buy it, or persuade the media that their cause is worthy of its own news coverage. They should not be allowed to force a disruptive confrontation staged to attract news cameras. Others have a right to peacefully come and go, and to hold their lawful assemblies without being disrupted by protesters.

[Mudcat]

Has anyone else notice how most, not all but MOST, protesters are very quick to site their rights while they trample all over everyone elses?

Just a thought.

[Stubob]

Well said Mudcat!!!!!!!

[DMorrison]

Let me first say this, anyone may call me what they wish, be it baby killer or heroe, because I know I am neither. But if I had an opportunity to attend one my brothers funerals, I would leave my gun at home. Because and assault charge is much better then murder in the first. The government gives them the right to freedom of speech, the lord gives me the freedom to woop their ass, if not the right.

[ErnieH]

Spoken like a TRUE BROTHER AT ARMS!!!

Now back to MS-13, there are terrorist like Dan pointed out and some of the worst out there. Their numbers are growing every day. MS-13 is edging out the Russians, the Mexican and the Asians. They are deadly and act with no fear of consequences. They kill and plunder as they go and have spread them selves from their home land of El Salvador to Canada. Their gangs numbers consist of mostly kids under the age of 30, the founders were battle proven from the Wars in El Salvador and brought the same mentality to the streets of the U.S. in a way not yet seen. They Killed all who got in their way. All. Even their own. Each member knows once they are jumped in or sexed in that only two places await them, Jail or the Grave. What a way to live life!!! This group has no respect and at with pure malice. I have studied many gangs and have been with many gang members.....MS 13 is a force to deal with, their only loyalty is to their click and their nation (MS13 movement). ICE has increased their efforts in the last year to get a hold on this group, but mark my words, if left unchecked they will be a group that causes more problem to come and makes many headlines.

Salvies are no joke, I am married to one, and God help anyone who gets her made....lol that includes me!!!! :lol:

[Outlaw]

Sometimes there just aren't enough bullets :evil: